Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
How is ‘ removal’ defined? In my thinking, it means the right to have data labelled such that is NOT used in the provision of healthcare. Copies made in the past, can not easily be removed, all the times. Data shared with third parties can not easily be removed. Data that is acted upon, can not

Re: Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread Bert Verhees
If someone wants to read that email. I can forward it, it is in Dutch that is why I don't post it here. Next may, 2018, the new European privacy regulations will become effective. Op di 7 nov. 2017 18:15 schreef Bert Verhees : > I just received ab email about this. In

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
Always it is possible to cheat whatever. But it nneds a criminal mindset to do just that. what one is not supposed to do. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7 Nov 2017, at 17:25, Karsten Hilbert wrote: >

Re: Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread Bert Verhees
I just received ab email about this. In Dutch from the Dutch Authority Privacy (Autoriteit Persoonsgegevens ) The DPIA mentions very explicitly right on correction and right on removal. Else the system owner will be fined. It is European law. No room for discussions or ethical considerations.

Aw: Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread Karsten Hilbert
> Restricting the reading, and processing, for use outside the provision of > healthcare or labelling > it as restricted NOT for use in healthcare are two alternatives for ‘Logical > Deleting’. Sure. But. What isn't there can't be breached. What is, will be. Karsten

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
Restricting the reading, and processing, for use outside the provision of healthcare or labelling it as restricted NOT for use in healthcare are two alternatives for ‘Logical Deleting’. Gerard Freriks +31 620347088 gf...@luna.nl Kattensingel 20 2801 CA Gouda the Netherlands > On 7 Nov

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread Karsten Hilbert
On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 10:51:42AM +0100, GF wrote: > c- When patients demand the removal of all data the Patient > record is declared in-active or its Access Control List is > changed such that only the patient has controlling access > rights. Given the fact that ACLs are ephemereal in many

Re: Scenarios for change type "deleted"

2017-11-07 Thread GF
Hi, There are several (5) realities: 1- that what is actually happening in the Patient System 2- that what is observed by the HcP/author (observables via senses) 3- subjective evaluation by HcP 4- that what is documented in the EHR patient record (Committed Composition) 5- the EHR Patient Record