Improvement to specify more than one archetype on ACTIVITY.arction_archetype_id [Archetype Editor]
Hi Pablo, This seems sensible but, to be honest, I have never used this constraint feature in any real-world applications. My experience has been to leave most of these options open as it can be very difficult to predict appropriate future matching archetypes. Ian On 5 January 2013 20:09, pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, When editing an INSTRUCTION archetype, setting the action_archetype_id attribute of an ACTIVITY, the AE only gives the possibility of selecting one archetype, but this should support more than one archetype using regexes as said on the specs (ehr_im.pdf setion 8.3.7). A solution could be to support the selection of more than one action archetype (using the [...] button, see screen capture here: https://plus.google.com/109540968085207927247/posts/f33Hs2rHoto) and creating a regex from the selected archetypes like archid1|archid2|archid3 What do you think? -- Kind regards, Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos http://twitter.com/ppazos ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20130106/718e832e/attachment.html
Improvement to specify more than one archetype on ACTIVITY.arction_archetype_id [Archetype Editor]
Hi Ian, I agree for general use archetypes, like the ones published on the CKM, this may constraint more that is needed. But for us that build systems things like these help us building spec-compliant archetypes to test our systems. With this functionality in particular I need to test an UI that can show a form for each action_archetype_id on the activity to record the correspondent action. I know I can edit the ADL by hand, but that's a practice I try to avoid since it's error prone. This AE constraint (and others, e.g. couldn't create COMPOSITION archetypes without slots i.e. the complete structure defined on the same archetype, or the imposibility of add constraints to ISM_TRANSITION.transition) makes testing a little difficult for us (of course these are drops in a sea of things to test on an openEHR system). Just thinking out loud, if such functionalities could be enabled in the AE, but you're affraid that clinical modelers start to use the AE in a wrong way, maybe a developers version of the AE could help here. What do you think? -- Kind regards, Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos From: ian.mcnic...@oceaninformatics.com Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2013 14:33:41 +0100 Subject: Re: Improvement to specify more than one archetype on ACTIVITY.arction_archetype_id [Archetype Editor] To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org Hi Pablo, This seems sensible but, to be honest, I have never used this constraint feature in any real-world applications. My experience has been to leave most of these options open as it can be very difficult to predict appropriate future matching archetypes. Ian On 5 January 2013 20:09, pablo pazos pazospablo at hotmail.com wrote: Hi all, When editing an INSTRUCTION archetype, setting the action_archetype_id attribute of an ACTIVITY, the AE only gives the possibility of selecting one archetype, but this should support more than one archetype using regexes as said on the specs (ehr_im.pdf setion 8.3.7). A solution could be to support the selection of more than one action archetype (using the [...] button, see screen capture here: https://plus.google.com/109540968085207927247/posts/f33Hs2rHoto) and creating a regex from the selected archetypes like archid1|archid2|archid3 What do you think? -- Kind regards, Ing. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez LinkedIn: http://uy.linkedin.com/in/pablopazosgutierrez Blog: http://informatica-medica.blogspot.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/ppazos ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- Dr Ian McNicoll office +44 (0)1536 414 994 fax +44 (0)1536 516317 mobile +44 (0)775 209 7859 skype ianmcnicoll ian.mcnicoll at oceaninformatics.com Clinical Modelling Consultant, Ocean Informatics, UK Director openEHR Foundation www.openehr.org/knowledge Honorary Senior Research Associate, CHIME, UCL SCIMP Working Group, NHS Scotland BCS Primary Health Care www.phcsg.org ___ openEHR-technical mailing list openEHR-technical at lists.openehr.org http://lists.openehr.org/mailman/listinfo/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openehr.org/pipermail/openehr-technical_lists.openehr.org/attachments/20130106/05e366d3/attachment-0001.html
csingleattribute and existence
Excuse me the following question, maybe I am just looking over the answer all the time What is the use of both together existence and occurences in case of a CSingleAtttribute. And what if both have conflicting information? For example, existence gives REQUIRED and occurrences gives minOccurs=0 Thanks for a short answer Bert
csingleattribute and existence
Hi Bert,
existence is a property of CAttribute (multiple or single). It indicates
if the attribute value (i.e. some object) must exists or can be null.
occurrences is a property of a CObject, and indicates how many instances
of that object constraint can exist in the data.
It can be used on CObjects under CMultipleAttributes to indicate how
many instances of each CObject (there can be multiple CObjects, e.g.
systolic bp, diastolic bp etc, each of which could potentially have more
than one instance in the data). Commonly, many objects under a
CMultipleAttribute can only have one or zero occurrences, so occurrences
is set to {0..1}
Occurrences on an object under a CSingleAttribute can only indicate 0..0
or 1..1 (based on an original value of 0..1). In theory, occurrences on
an object under a CSingleAttribute could conflict with existence on the
CSingleAttribute. Tools can easily check this (and they do).
hope this helps.
- thomas
On 06/01/2013 15:51, Bert Verhees wrote:
Excuse me the following question, maybe I am just looking over the
answer all the time
What is the use of both together existence and occurences in case of a
CSingleAtttribute.
And what if both have conflicting information?
For example, existence gives REQUIRED and occurrences gives minOccurs=0
Thanks for a short answer
csingleattribute and existence
On 01/06/2013 08:44 PM, Thomas Beale wrote: Occurrences on an object under a CSingleAttribute can only indicate 0..0 or 1..1 (based on an original value of 0..1). In theory, occurrences on an object under a CSingleAttribute could conflict with existence on the CSingleAttribute. Tools can easily check this (and they do). I formulated the question a bit sloppy, but you picked it well up. Your answer helps, Now I know that this is an acknowledged risk. It is not a misunderstanding from my side. :) thanks Bert
csingleattribute and existence
On 01/06/2013 08:44 PM, Thomas Beale wrote: Hi Bert, existence is a property of CAttribute (multiple or single). It indicates if the attribute value (i.e. some object) must exists or can be null. How about this: Since its function in CSingleAttribute is also done by CObject-attribute occurences, it could be removed from the CSingleAttribute. This would make tools that check this superfluous. Bert
