Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-20 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-13 09:56, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: A Q about the Slovak language: while you were in a union with the Czechs, did the languages start to unify spontaneously? I mean like vocabulary changes, minor grammatical drift, spelling oddities changing and so on and so forth? I've got a bit

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread låzaro
Ah, yes, and there are also diacritics and many wild rules about them, sometimes with barely noticeable influence on pronunciation and serious disdain from officials who must work with and respect the official proper language (which the SMS-generation can't write due to lots of practice with

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread låzaro
As an American, I think it's funny because it works on so many levels -- it's a wry commentary on seemingly boundless American imperialism, it's a good send-up of the perception of Americans as culturally ignorant boors, and it even works as a simple joke on baffling languages. No matter how

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread James Carlson
On 03/16/13 01:23, låzaro wrote: exist any alphabet with uppercase and lowercase numbers? They're somewhat common in typography. A short introduction to text figures is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lowercase_numbers -- James Carlson 42.703N 71.076W

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-16 06:16, låzaro wrote: Could somebody from Rusia tell me what think about special characters? Well, there are almost none in the alphabet. A couple of letters have embedded apostrophes or carets (й vs и) and dots (ё vs е), but they are static explicit symbols of the alphabet, with

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread Udo Grabowski (IMK)
On 18/03/2013 15:13, Jim Klimov wrote: Other than that, diacritics are a nuisance of other languages for us, funny to look at and tedious to learn, which modern English luckily avoids - and see how it dominates the world today. Just look which language dominates the world:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-18 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-18 16:10, Udo Grabowski (IMK) wrote: On 18/03/2013 15:13, Jim Klimov wrote: Other than that, diacritics are a nuisance of other languages for us, funny to look at and tedious to learn, which modern English luckily avoids - and see how it dominates the world today. Just look which

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G Computing is SOOO boring in comparison.. On 2013-03-15 01:25, Jim Klimov wrote: On 2013-03-13 10:17, Marcel Telka wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: Way off-topic ;) A Q about the Slovak language: while you were in a union with the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread dormitionsk...@hotmail.com
Even more off-topic!!! You all don't know what you've been doing to me! With all of the stupid computer problems I've had this week, all I've wanted to do all week is pack a bag and move to Moravia, where my (German) ancestors came from! Live a nice, simple, quiet life, without from

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread James Carlson
On 03/14/13 20:25, Jim Klimov wrote: In some words they take role of a vowel for phonetics, thus there can be words and phrases without vowel characters at all. Possibly the most popular example is strč prst skrz krk (put a finger through the throat)

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-15 07:57, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: A-M-A-Z-I-N-G Computing is SOOO boring in comparison.. Well, humans are computers for ideas, and natural languages are a way to program them, inquire and report data. So it is not that much different... just think of Neuro-Linguistical

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-15 08:42, dormitionsk...@hotmail.com wrote: Even more off-topic!!! You all don't know what you've been doing to me! With all of the stupid computer problems I've had this week, all I've wanted to do all week is pack a bag and move to Moravia, where my (German) ancestors came from!

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I'm not sure europeans think that funny for quite the same reasons as an american might... Perspective is a funny thing. On 2013-03-15 12:37, James Carlson wrote: On 03/14/13 20:25, Jim Klimov wrote: In some words they take role of a vowel for phonetics, thus there can be words and phrases

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-15 Thread James Carlson
On 03/15/13 09:25, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I'm not sure europeans think that funny for quite the same reasons as an american might... Perspective is a funny thing. Maybe you're right, but I'm not so sure. As an American, I think it's funny because it works on so many levels -- it's a wry

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-14 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-03-13 10:17, Marcel Telka wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: Way off-topic ;) A Q about the Slovak language: while you were in a union with the Czechs, did the languages start to unify spontaneously? I mean like vocabulary changes, minor

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Can that confusion happen at the start of a word or only inside words?? And how many rulebreaking words are there, can they be enumerated?? On 2013-03-12 22:50, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 03/12/2013 10:10 PM, Marcel Telka wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'm

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Marcel Telka
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:01:16AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: Can that confusion happen at the start of a word or only inside words?? And how many rulebreaking words are there, can they be enumerated?? It can happen only in the middle. Only in a case when the word is constructed from two

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
not such an easy thing then... however. I suppose given a complete dictionary, a system could try splitting a word between c and h and see if the resulting subwords are in the dictionary. Hmm On 2013-03-13 08:57, Marcel Telka wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 08:01:16AM +0100, Hans J.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Marcel Telka
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:04:43AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: not such an easy thing then... however. I suppose given a complete dictionary, a system could try splitting a word between c and h and see if the resulting subwords are in the dictionary. Hmm Sometimes they might not be

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I remember taking a course in Latvian, when the teacher proudly announced that all of 3.5 million people spoke it world wide. I suppose she had Livian to compare with, 300 or so, these days.. Swedish is a BIG language: 9 million here, 2 million speak east swedish, and then about a million in

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Marcel Telka
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: A Q about the Slovak language: while you were in a union with the Czechs, did the languages start to unify spontaneously? I mean like vocabulary changes, minor grammatical drift, spelling oddities changing and so on and so

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-13 Thread Marcel Telka
On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 10:17:51AM +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: On Wed, Mar 13, 2013 at 09:56:07AM +0100, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: A Q about the Slovak language: while you were in a union with the Czechs, did the languages start to unify spontaneously? I mean like vocabulary changes, minor

[OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-12 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
I sort of expected echo {Z..Ö} to generate Z Å Ä Ö when LC_ALL was set to sv_SE.UTF-8 But it doesn't. Seems like a bug, or what?? Found while hacking some scripts for backup and indexing stuff. Major showstopper, actually. ___

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-12 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 03/12/2013 09:53 PM, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I sort of expected echo {Z..Ö} to generate Z Å Ä Ö when LC_ALL was set to sv_SE.UTF-8 But it doesn't. Seems like a bug, or what?? Found while hacking some scripts for backup and indexing stuff. Major showstopper, actually. I'm

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-12 Thread Marcel Telka
On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody in bash development actually considers locale-specific letter ordering rules. Language-specific idiosyncrasies are a never ending stream of hurt and implementation problems (e.g. in my language ch is supposed

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-12 Thread James Carlson
On 03/12/13 16:53, Hans J. Albertsson wrote: I sort of expected echo {Z..Ö} to generate Z Å Ä Ö when LC_ALL was set to sv_SE.UTF-8 But it doesn't. Seems like a bug, or what?? It doesn't seem to do that on any of the platforms I tested. Given that the bash documentation for echo

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] Bash brace expansion in non-C locales??

2013-03-12 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 03/12/2013 10:10 PM, Marcel Telka wrote: On Tue, Mar 12, 2013 at 10:02:27PM +0100, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: I'm pretty sure nobody in bash development actually considers locale-specific letter ordering rules. Language-specific idiosyncrasies are a never ending stream of hurt and implementation