Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-09 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
What about this one? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/ - Opprinnelig melding - Hi, all! I saw this on the Illumos developer list. I thought some of you might get a kick out of it. A Sun Solaris machine was shut

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-09 Thread Jonathan Adams
On 9 April 2013 15:06, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: What about this one? http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/03/epic-uptime-achievement-can-you-beat-16-years/ we had a box that I installed in 1999 that was turned off when we moved out of the building in 2010

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-09 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-04-09 16:26, Jonathan Adams wrote: we found it hiding behind a fitted cupboard that had been installed after it Well, there was a trend in 90's Russia to mount storage boxes into a wall, bricked forever, preferably with a wireless network. Whenever there were masked shows (tax police

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: Patching is extremely safe. But let's look at the flip side. Suppose you encounter the rare situation where patching *does* cause a problem. It's been known to happen; heck, it's been known to happen *by* *me*. You have to ask yourself, which is the

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-08 Thread Brian Hechinger
On 4/8/2013 4:16 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: Patching is extremely safe. But let's look at the flip side. Suppose you encounter the rare situation where patching *does* cause a problem. It's been known to happen; heck, it's been known to happen *by* *me*.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-08 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: Hands up all those who've bricked a Linux system or had a Solaris 10 system that wouldn't play with live upgrade. I've had a couple instances where Linux systems wouldn't boot after kernel updates. Generally these have been

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-08 Thread David Brodbeck
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:02 PM, David Brodbeck bro...@uw.edu wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:16 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: Hands up all those who've bricked a Linux system or had a Solaris 10 system that wouldn't play with live upgrade. I've had a couple instances where

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-08 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-04-08 21:04, David Brodbeck wrote: Oh yeah -- another reason is I've run into many situations where OpenSolaris/OpenIndiana requires a full power cycle to reboot -- at least one of my machines hangs if I try to do a soft reboot in OI. Did you test if reboot -p (via PROM == via BIOS on

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-07 Thread Hans J. Albertsson
Also, given the boot environments and live upgrade methods of OI and other Solaris derivatives, applying a patch is NOT dangerous. Apply, reboot into new environment (overnite??), and if things seem to have problems, go back to the old environment. The only caution that seems reasonable is to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-07 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: From: Ben Taylor [mailto:bentaylor.sol...@gmail.com] Patching is a bit of arcane art. Some environments don't have test/acceptance/pre-prod with similar hardware and configurations, so minimizing impact is understandable, which means patching only what is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-07 Thread Roman Naumenko
Andrew Gabriel said the following, on 07-04-13 10:34 AM: Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: From: Ben Taylor [mailto:bentaylor.sol...@gmail.com] Patching is a bit of arcane art. Some environments don't have test/acceptance/pre-prod with similar hardware and configurations, so minimizing

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-07 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2013-04-07 16:34, Andrew Gabriel wrote: OTOH, I have worked in environments where everything is going to be locked down for 6-10 years. You get as current and stable as you can for the final testing, and then that's it - absolutely nothing is allowed to change. As someone else already hinted

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-06 Thread Ben Taylor
Patching is a bit of arcane art. Some environments don't have test/acceptance/pre-prod with similar hardware and configurations, so minimizing impact is understandable, which means patching only what is necessary. I prefer to patch everything when I build, or in environments where I have

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-04-05 Thread David Brodbeck
On Wed, Mar 20, 2013 at 4:32 AM, Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) openindi...@nedharvey.com wrote: It would only bring a tear to my eye, because of how foolishly irresponsible that is. 3737 days of uptime means 10 years of never applying security patches and bugfixes. Whenever people are

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-21 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
I was watching this discussion thread with interest so I checked system uptimes. My AMD64 Solaris 10 system was just about to reach exactly one year of uptime. When it reached one year of uptime, then BOOM, system panic for unknown (to me) reason. I recall that the same thing happened to my

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-21 Thread Roman Naumenko
Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) said the following, on 20-03-13 7:32 AM: From: dormitionsk...@hotmail.com [mailto:dormitionsk...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:42 PM A Sun Solaris machine was shut down last week in Hungary, I think, after 3737 days of uptime. Below are links to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-20 Thread Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana)
From: dormitionsk...@hotmail.com [mailto:dormitionsk...@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 11:42 PM A Sun Solaris machine was shut down last week in Hungary, I think, after 3737 days of uptime. Below are links to the article and video. Warning: It might bring a tear to your

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-20 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 03/20/2013 12:32 PM, Edward Ned Harvey (openindiana) wrote: It would only bring a tear to my eye, because of how foolishly irresponsible that is. 3737 days of uptime means 10 years of never applying security patches and bugfixes. Whenever people are proud of a really long uptime, it's a

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-20 Thread Jason Matthews
long uptimes are not hard to achieve. i bet if i got my old sparc ipx out from college days and booted it the system would report about thirteen years if uptime. i think i last used it in the summer of 2000. i shut it down last time by putting it to sleep. when it boots, assuming battery is

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-20 Thread Robbie Crash
I had to reboot after about 200 days of uptime the other day because I updated netatalk, which created a new BE. I don't really understand why a non-kernel package, for a non-essential service, would need a new BE. Is there a way to avoid this kind of thing so in the future I can brag about

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-20 Thread Rennie Allen
I worked for QNX back in the early 2000's. At that time QNX had a fairly complete design for performing kernel upgrades on a live system. Because QNX is a microkernel, this was doable. I can't get too deep into the details, but essentially it required a set of permanently reserved memory pages

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 3737 days of uptime

2013-03-19 Thread Julius Roberts
I'm waiting for 7337 days before mine go down ;) On 20 March 2013 14:41, dormitionsk...@hotmail.com dormitionsk...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, all! I saw this on the Illumos developer list. I thought some of you might get a kick out of it. A Sun Solaris machine was shut down last week in