Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] running sunpro binaries

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 18:17:17 -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > On 1/8/24 17:55, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: >> hi again, >> >> i tried to run something compiled with sunpro on solaris 11 on indiana and >> it almost worked. i put the >> additional libs in place and everything looked fine. however,

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] running sunpro binaries

2024-01-08 Thread Alan Coopersmith
On 1/8/24 17:55, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: hi again, i tried to run something compiled with sunpro on solaris 11 on indiana and it almost worked. i put the additional libs in place and everything looked fine. however, running the program in question failed with: ld.so.1: prog: fatal: prog:

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss
> On 8. Jan 2024, at 09:56, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > > of course but that raises the question why new libs would require a reboot. > the worst that could happen > is that programs which depend on that lib would crash if they're restarted. > but if they're also updated, > then the next

[OpenIndiana-discuss] running sunpro binaries

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
hi again, i tried to run something compiled with sunpro on solaris 11 on indiana and it almost worked. i put the additional libs in place and everything looked fine. however, running the program in question failed with: ld.so.1: prog: fatal: prog: hardware capability (CA_SUNW_HW_2)

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
i'm aware of the disadvantages but i'd like to have the choice to do so anyway if/when i see fit. On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 10:22:43 +0200, Toomas Soome via openindiana-discuss wrote: > reboot is needed to verify your setup is still working as supposed after an > update. You can have > different kind

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:27:32AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 10:03:47 +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: > > OTOH, system/library in OI (and also the rest of "kernel" - the > > illumos-gate) is rebuild once a day and almost all pacakges depends on > > them (either directly or

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] 32-bit libraries disappearing

2024-01-08 Thread Till Wegmüller
Hi Mathew On 08.01.24 04:40, Matthew R. Trower wrote: Well, I'd be willing to commit time towards such an effort.  I'd certainly rather commit that time to the main project, than maintain my own private fork.  We'd need to discuss what the workload is, what I can help with, and whether that

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:59:05AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 10:49:37 +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:27:32AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > >> which would mean pretty much every update needs a reboot. > > > > If you need to be always

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 11:52:25AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > no sorry, i wasn't clear. not one isolated package of course but whatever > "pkg update some_great_app" > triggers. No, you were clear. My "ssh only and nothing else" as an example was confusing. I meant ssh (and all tightly

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 at 00:54, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > i'm aware of the disadvantages but i'd like to have the choice to do so > anyway if/when i see fit. If you're looking for a server-centric distribution that produces critical bug and security updates without the constant churn, you should

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 10:03:47 +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: > OTOH, system/library in OI (and also the rest of "kernel" - the > illumos-gate) is rebuild once a day and almost all pacakges depends on > them (either directly or indirectly). which would mean pretty much every update needs a reboot. how

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 10:49:37 +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:27:32AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: >> which would mean pretty much every update needs a reboot. > > If you need to be always up-to-date. All the time and with all packages > available then yes, you need to

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
no sorry, i wasn't clear. not one isolated package of course but whatever "pkg update some_great_app" triggers. the idea is to limit the updates to what i deem sensitive and whatever else those updates drag in with them is fine. reboots included because it would likely not be as often as doing

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
fair, that's good enough for me. much thanks for all the great info !! On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:22:20 +0100, Marcel Telka wrote: > Sure. It should somehow (and usually) work, modulo the > userland-incorporation warning in my previous mail. So it is > discouraged.

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 08:56:30AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > of course but that raises the question why new libs would require a reboot. > the worst that could happen New libs does not require reboot on their own. The problem is with system/library only (and few other similar). The

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
well, looking at their release notes https://raw.githubusercontent.com/omniosorg/omnios-build/r151046/doc/ReleaseNotes.md 1 reboot per month on average. that i can do with indiana as well. On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 01:23:28 -0800, Joshua M. Clulow via openindiana-discuss wrote: > If you're looking for

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:48:30AM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > well, looking at their release notes > https://raw.githubusercontent.com/omniosorg/omnios-build/r151046/doc/ReleaseNotes.md > 1 reboot per month on average. that i can do with indiana as well. If you really need very long

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Goetz T. Fischer
sure, that's fine. if the package i selected for an update does require a reboot then so be it. the idea is just to avoid reboots for things i don't necessarily need to be up to date. how much that would reduce reboots ... not sure, but maybe it would save some. On Mon, 8 Jan 2024 12:05:46

Re: [OpenIndiana-discuss] updates and reboots

2024-01-08 Thread Marcel Telka
On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 12:13:48PM +0100, Goetz T. Fischer wrote: > sure, that's fine. if the package i selected for an update does require a > reboot then so be it. the idea > is just to avoid reboots for things i don't necessarily need to be up to date. > how much that would reduce reboots ...