Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Benjamin Gudehus
Hi Tom! As a programmer I use SB for prototyping. I think the problem is, that designers really need a visual UI and CSS editor. Upcoming web-standards like Web Components and frameworks like Google Polymer really shine, when it comes to connection between programmers and designers. --Benjamin

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tom Eugelink
My two cents would be that maintaining a UI builder is an awful lot of work, while I expect that a lot of programmers won't be using SB because it always has limitations. Either with complex layouts or custom controls. Real programmers probably use FXML directly or even just code it in Java.

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tobias Bley
But what about Xcode GUI design? Android Studio GUI designer? QT Designer? … Am 05.03.2015 um 09:19 schrieb Tom Eugelink t...@tbee.org: My two cents would be that maintaining a UI builder is an awful lot of work, while I expect that a lot of programmers won't be using SB because it always

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Tomas Mikula
And then there are GroovyFX and ScalaFX, which embed the declarative UI language in the host language. To me, FXML seems to be just compensation for the lack of expressiveness in Java. Tomas On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Doug Schaefer dschae...@qnx.com wrote: GUI builders are great for

Re: 8u40 is released / SB

2015-03-05 Thread Doug Schaefer
GUI builders are great for prototyping or helping you learn. But when the application gets complex I keep hearing developers throw them out. They start getting in the way. I think if you have a good API and a good declarative UI language, think QML not FXML, then you may find you don¹t really