On Wed, 07 Aug 2013 16:54:37 +0200, Mark Fortner
wrote:
The showcase sounds like a good idea, but if the goal is to be able to
use
it to convince people that JavaFX is a viable platform, wouldn't it be
better if you could download and try the application (maybe even web
start
it)? After
On Sun, 04 Aug 2013 09:47:41 +0200, Anton Epple
wrote:
A combination of a page describing an individual application, like the
one you linked here, would be one part and -more important- a page that
lists *all* the applications with a screenshot and a short description.
The latter would b
t; about your work, please email one of us off-list.
>>> -- Jonathan
>>> Sent from a touch device. Please excuse my brevity.
>>>
>>> "John C. Turnbull" wrote:
>>>> +1
>>>>
>>>> Such a site could be very useful.
>
+1
>>>
>>> Such a site could be very useful.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net
>>> [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Daniel
>>> Zwolenski
>>> Sent: Sunday
h a site could be very useful.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net
>> [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Daniel
>> Zwolenski
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013 09:56
>> To: Pedro Duque Vi
s,
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net
> [mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of John C. Turnbull
> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:20 PM
> To: 'Daniel Zwolenski'; 'Pedro Duque Vieira'
> Cc
#x27;; 'Pedro Duque Vieira'
Cc: 'OpenJFX Mailing List'
Subject: RE: JavaFX Sightings (forked from Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?)
+1
Such a site could be very useful.
-Original Message-
From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net
[mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net]
Good questions. I've had experience with some of these, building a GUI
designer. At this stage customers will use it to build input forms.
Later it is supposed to grow into sort of a report designer.
The core is a custom component containing a ScrollPane containing a
content pane. And that pan
Wouldn't this be covered by Shape.union? Obviously it depends on how
union is implemented under the sheets, but it seems to me as if there
was an opportunity to optimize it like that.
Werner
On 24.07.2013 21:06, Richard Bair wrote:
I filed an RFE a little while ago for a "LineGroup" or someth
penjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Daniel
>> Zwolenski
>> Sent: Sunday, 28 July 2013 09:56
>> To: Pedro Duque Vieira
>> Cc: OpenJFX Mailing List
>> Subject: JavaFX Sightings (forked from Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?)
>>
>> The idea of a JFX Sighting
OpenJFX Mailing List
Subject: JavaFX Sightings (forked from Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?)
The idea of a JFX Sightings page (in the tradition of the Swing
Sightings
page) has been raised before and I think is a good one.
It deserves it's own page though, that technet section isn't up to it
in m
ing List
>Subject: JavaFX Sightings (forked from Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?)
>
>The idea of a JFX Sightings page (in the tradition of the Swing
>Sightings
>page) has been raised before and I think is a good one.
>
>It deserves it's own page though, that technet section isn't
(forked from Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?)
The idea of a JFX Sightings page (in the tradition of the Swing Sightings
page) has been raised before and I think is a good one.
It deserves it's own page though, that technet section isn't up to it in my
opinion.
Personally I think this would be great
ue potential. I can promise people that more advanced
>>> things are "possible" but given that they write the cheques, they need to
>>> see it for themselves.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And how about a website of JavaFX reference sites? T
t there using it right?
> >
> >
> >
> > In the end it doesn't matter if I personally see enormous potential for
> > JavaFX if I cannot convince others to see what I see.
> >
> >
> >
> > -jct
> >
> >
> >
> > From: D
ut there using it right?
> >
> >
> >
> > In the end it doesn't matter if I personally see enormous potential for
> > JavaFX if I cannot convince others to see what I see.
> >
> >
> >
> > -jct
> >
> >
> >
> > From: D
So in this sense Scene Builder should be on this list, even though it is
Oracle provided. It shows the promise of the complexity that I think you
are asking for.
On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Fabrizio Giudici <
fabrizio.giud...@tidalwave.it> wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:12:35 +0200, Yennic
On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 09:12:35 +0200, Yennick Trevels
wrote:
@John: On the JavaFx community site they have a section with references
to
real world usecases.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javafx/community/index.html
If that five/six cases are all that is published now, as it's my
e what I see.
>
>
>
> -jct
>
>
>
> From: Daniel Zwolenski [mailto:zon...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 09:12
> To: John C. Turnbull
> Cc: Richard Bair; openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net
> Subject: Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?
>
>
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On Sat, 27 Jul 2013 01:12:26 +0200, Daniel Zwolenski
wrote:
b) lack of any big or notable players out there actually using it, or at
least publicly saying they are using it
My only - so far - customer currently using JavaFX has a strong experience
with Swing and recently also the NetBeans
ms and people
>> who
>> require proof (such as demos, reference sites etc.) and not because I
>> myself
>> think JavaFX is not up to scratch.
>>
>> It's quite the opposite actually.
>>
>> I am a very, very strong believer and supporter of JavaFX and h
bull
Cc: Richard Bair; openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net
Subject: Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?
+1
I've failed to convince multiple clients that they should use JFX because of
a) lack of examples of what it can really do, and how to make it do that
(e.g. in enterprise space we have
http://static.s
I want it to be a massive
> success. As I have said before, there are plenty of people who praise
> JavaFX and tend to avoid the very real issues that are restricting its
> adoption. I just think we have to face these issues head on if we are to
> compete in what is a very cut-thro
he very real issues that are restricting its
adoption. I just think we have to face these issues head on if we are to
compete in what is a very cut-throat industry.
-jct
-Original Message-
From: Richard Bair [mailto:richard.b...@oracle.com]
Sent: Saturday, 27 July 2013 01:40
To: John C. Turnb
> For Flash, there are literally millions of examples of
> fancy/complex/impressive graphics and animations out there that can be
> really impressive at times. I have not seen ONE such example in JavaFX!
Point to one?
Have you seen any of the JavaOne examples? The movie wall or movies on a stack
S IS A MAJOR PROBLEM!
-jct
-Original Message-
From: openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net
[mailto:openjfx-dev-boun...@openjdk.java.net] On Behalf Of Daniel Zwolenski
Sent: Friday, 26 July 2013 15:14
To: Richard Bair
Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net
Subject: Re: Can JavaFX do CAD?
I th
I think you guys need to change the topic here - nothing to do with CAD
anymore (which is still an unresolved topic).
On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 3:03 PM, Richard Bair wrote:
> Actually Jasper and Scott just pointed out some problems here. I mistyped
> (should have been return _x; from the getter).
Actually Jasper and Scott just pointed out some problems here. I mistyped
(should have been return _x; from the getter). But also I didn't handle the
case of binding, or setting via the property correctly here. So this modified
pattern doesn't work. I may be remembering it wrong and Alex can cor
> Regarding memory requirements of the "full lazy" properties, let me state the
> obvious:
> - if the property is not used at all, we have a reference and a double
> instead of just a reference (worse unless in bucket)
> - if getters/setters are called, we still have a reference and a double
> i
> If there are really a lot of properties of the same (primitive) type
> would it make sense to store their primitive values inside arrays
> instead of single fields? Not sure how arrays preform memory and access.
> If there are many booleans they could be store inside an short/int/long.
My under
Hi Richard,
I have a comment to one of your questions:
On 24.7.2013 21:06, Richard Bair wrote:
- Would we benefit from a "full lazy" model for properties where we
only instantiate them if somebody adds a listener
We've done that in javafx.scene.transform.Affine. This is a class
repr
On 25.07.13 13:44, Pavel Safrata wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> I have a comment to one of your questions:
>
> On 24.7.2013 21:06, Richard Bair wrote:
>> - Would we benefit from a "full lazy" model for properties where
>> we only instantiate them if somebody adds a listener
>>
>
> We've done that in
That would be terrific. In answer to Fabrizio's question, it depends. What
kinds of nodes, and what is their cost to render.
It would be interesting to get some bounded sizes. I had gathered some of this
information ages ago in an ad-hoc way, it would be good to have some kind of
repeatable tes
Because my document is zoomable, I used the same approach SVG->FXML to
represent some icons that are used on items throughout the document. This
works but I have always felt that it is too heavy for my use-case.
Specially since I have the same icon appearing in multiple places, which
means I need
On Wed, 24 Jul 2013 17:06:57 +0200, Richard Bair
wrote:
The scene graph will not support millions of nodes,
How many nodes are supported? I'm helping with the prototyping of a
software that should render 2D SVG. In the past the need was for
relatively complex documents, converted from 2
The scene graph will not support millions of nodes, so I agree that just
representing every CAD drawn shape as a node is not going to work. Of the
options presently available, you might find Canvas does what you want and
allows you to use substantially the same architecture as you have now
(bas
You mention zoom level and bezier curves...
I found JavaFX Path drawing combined with zooming and a ScrollPane was
pathologically slow (approximately 100 times slower than normal). I filed an
issue with a test case: RT-25166
I managed to speed it up a bit by avoiding the use of one of the Group
Hi Daniel,
I totally agree with your wishes, and even wonder if it is feasible in JavaFX.
With my Swing App, although I support mouse-over sensitivity on things like
JButtons, I do not support it on graphical objects, simply because the effort
would kill the system, given millions of objects. O
Hi Hervé,
Many thanks for your advice. Can I ask, did you manage to achieve
"Rubber-banding" type XOR Mode Graphics as a way to indicate feedback to mouse
movement, or was it not relevant to your app? Does JavaFX have a different
philosophy?
Kind regards, Chris
On 24 Jul 2013, at 12:07, Hervé
We switched a vector editor which used swing to JavaFX (using a standard called
ARINC 661), and we have no problems of performance in the Editor even for
thousands of nodes. But I agree that you should not use the obvious
Swing-converted way to do the same thing in JavaFX.
Hervé
Sent from my i
I think the below comment makes it sound more straight forward than it is. In
building a diagramming tool there is much more to it than just the rendering
frame rate.
This topic about CAD-like apps and 'performant' highly visual jfx apps in
general has been raised here and in the forums before
I believe JavaFx could do cad, first step would be to provide a simple data set
and boil it down to the best render paths in JavaFX.
As far as I know it shouldn't be any worse than swing with the slowest render
paths.
-Joe
On Jul 23, 2013, at 8:47 AM, Chris Gay wrote:
> Hello all.
>
> Plea
I am interested in this theme very much, too.
I have been engaged in development of CAD/CAM system on Java for many years.
This StellaVision for Java
please look at http://www.stellacorp.co.jp/en/products/soft/java/index.htm
I investigate that I develop the next version based on JFX.
Tadashi Oh
That's a demo I'd love to see.
On Jul 23, 2013, at 4:21 PM, Daniel Zwolenski wrote:
> +1
>
> More specifically I would like to know the official recommended best
> practices for implementing a CAD style app in JFX.
>
> - How best to represent large numbers of complex shapes efficiently, and
+1
More specifically I would like to know the official recommended best practices
for implementing a CAD style app in JFX.
- How best to represent large numbers of complex shapes efficiently, and when
to add shapes to the scene (add all and let jfx clip, or manually work out what
should be sho
Hello all.
Please could someone advise if it is even feasible for me to consider
re-factoring the following Swing application, so that it becomes a JavaFX one.
From trying to read about JavaFX, I get the feeling that Oracle never intended
Java FX for the purpose I need.
I have a large Java Swi
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