Re: WebView and WebGL

It would be a lot of work, and not something we are likely to do any time soon. -- Kevin On 8/26/2021 10:46 AM, Phil Freihofner wrote: All this recent, great activity on WebView makes me wonder: are there plans in place, or any teams actively working on enabling WebGL? I was recently shown,

RE: WebView and WebGL

r 12, 2017 9:52 PM > To: Jan Tosovsky > Cc: openjfx-dev@openjdk.java.net > Subject: Re: WebView and WebGL > > Hi Jan, > > I have to say that I find your question rather "curious"! > > Imagine asking a Qt developer "Why do you need 3D in Qt?&qu

Re: WebView and WebGL

Hi Jan, I have to say that I find your question rather "curious"! Imagine asking a Qt developer "Why do you need 3D in Qt?". They'd probably look at you a bit strangely and then reply "Is this a trick question?". If there weren't the (advanced) 3D features in Qt then most C++ developers would

RE: WebView and WebGL

On 2017-09-10 Nir Lisker wrote: > > 3D enhancement are indeed not planned for Java10 (at the minimum) ... > but I agree with Mike - you can, maybe somewhat surprisingly, do quite > a lot with what there is. > > ... > > We've employed some clever tricks to get adequate "advanced features" >

Re: WebView and WebGL

Yes, and this is primary reason that ANGLE exists, and is used to implement WebGL on Windows by translating GL calls to Direct3D. -- Kevin Philip Race wrote: FWIW Java 2D ships OGL support on Windows (turned on by a flag) and our SQE have occasionally dutifully run tests in that mode and

Re: WebView and WebGL

I don't want to hijack the WebGL discussion but since it rolled into the 3D library territory anyway I'll give my 2 cents. 3D enhancement are indeed not planned for Java10 (at the minimum) and indeed you can't bring your own shader (asked already at

Re: WebView and WebGL

...if only you could "bring your own" shader :-; On 10 Sep 2017, at 21:04, Mike Hearn wrote: >> >> (And yes, the current JavaFX 3D features are extremely rudimentary and not >> particularly useful. I don't expect them to be ever enhanced. They're >> effectively "frozen". It's

Re: WebView and WebGL

> > (And yes, the current JavaFX 3D features are extremely rudimentary and not > particularly useful. I don't expect them to be ever enhanced. They're > effectively "frozen". It's a harsh call but I think they were a mistake > from day one. We need a completely different alternative). > I

Re: WebView and WebGL

Yes Scott, the rendering in WebView is done with the JavaFX API which has pros and cons. The major "pro" is that it is a lightweight control that plays nicely with all other controls (and the performance is surprisingly good). The "con" is that implementing WebGL was thus very complicated

Re: WebView and WebGL

If I’m remembering correctly, I think the another factor for why WebGL wasn’t included is that the rendering layer of WebKit was done on top of JavaFX. That allows it to integrate nicely with the all the other JavaFX rendering. Personally I wish that time wasn’t wasted (IMO) on the existing 3D

Re: WebView and WebGL

FWIW Java 2D ships OGL support on Windows (turned on by a flag) and our SQE have occasionally dutifully run tests in that mode and regularly turn up bugs that look like driver bugs. As a consequence FX decided to not ship it. So although FX builds OGL support on all platforms it is excluded from

Re: WebView and WebGL

Thanks guys - that sounds like a good "angle" to approach this :-; I too suspected that Windows and poor OpenGL support was at the heart of the matter after the decades-long "API Wars". I just didn't realise that OpenGL on Windows was that inferior/buggy to Direct3D (by design, of course!). I

Re: WebView and WebGL

Having done some GL work on windows I've to agree with Mike. Windows GL drivers can be a disaster. If you are able to specify hardware for your users it's fine but if you take a random win-machine you are most likely in trouble. So something like angle would probably be the safest way to get EGL

Re: WebView and WebGL

Getting back to the original issue, it's good to know that work is being done to implement WebGL support but I fear that the whole process will take longer than is really needed. As I see it, JavaFX has one major competitor which is Qt. Naturally JavaFX lags behind Qt in features and

Re: WebView and WebGL

+1 ... to Any high performance way to get images from native code to the screen in a JavaFX app. I filed an enhancement request many years ago for a method to supply portions of the media pipeline for the media player APIs. I've also been asking for some way to get at a native surface

Re: WebView and WebGL

Hi Jonathan, hi all, I would like to bring up the "WritableImage backed by DirectBuffer" discussion again: I did my own experiments with WebGL and native rendering. I posted them a while ago here on the mailing list (https://github.com/miho/VFXWebKit & https://youtu.be/FlIrY1SlNM4). I came to

Re: WebView and WebGL

All, WebGL is something that is currently in the planning pipeline with a relatively high priority. This means it is not under active development yet, but we already have engineers working on the research towards this feature. Once this is concluded and the scope of the work better

Re: WebView and WebGL

This *is* the problem: 7 years since a formal issue is raised and still we have nothing. As I said, WebGL support won't happen unless *we* make it happen and I'm in a position where I have both a need and time to work on it. I'm sure others would help too. Once someone from Oracle responds to

Re: WebView and WebGL

Am 25.08.17 um 18:22 schrieb Nir Lisker: It has been suggested already in https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8091035. I am well aware of these suggestions but did you look at the creation date?

Re: WebView and WebGL

It has been suggested already in https://bugs.openjdk.java.net/browse/JDK-8091035.

Re: WebView and WebGL

I agree with you Michael. So let's open a discussion as a community and actually get coding. It won't happen otherwise... (At least not for 4 years or so) > On 25 Aug 2017, at 17:34, Michael Paus wrote: > > I also find it important to get WebGL support into WebView as soon as

Re: WebView and WebGL

I also find it important to get WebGL support into WebView as soon as possible but I fear that this is not such an easy task because there are a few things to consider. From my point of view, for example, it would not make much sense to implement WebGL exclusively in the context of the