Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Melvin Carvalho
nd so on. :-D If mark up the URL's using machine readable XML you can describe all profiles/assets you want, and also have a futher link to the licencing terms. > > Best regards, > Stefan Andersson > Tribal Media AB > > > > >> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 08:08:3

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Stefan Andersson
m > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who > will never log in > > Melanie wrote: > > I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert > > user records or profile records into my database

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Teravus Ovares
"The latter needs to be avoided for reasons of liability." actually, .. no. That isn't entirely true. That statement should be rephrased, "The latter needs to be avoided for reasons of public relations.". Our license protects us from what individuals do with the software.. however, we are

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread James Stallings II
I'll consider that 'point taken' and agree to agree with the legal edge-case represented by LL, though I would point out that such whholesale exporting of content is already well underway. Thanks for taking the time to consider my views ;) Cheers James On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Melanie w

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Melanie
Hi, unfortunately, I believe the potential for abuse outstrips the usefulness here. The issue is not necessarily with individual creators, who would maybe be happy with proper attribution, but rather with Linden Labs. I believe they would take an interest if wholesale copying of content from

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread James Stallings II
Perhaps So Mel, ButWhere is the similar licensing or release from obligation under license for the OS grid content? It seems to me there's a double standard in the offing here, whereby content from the Linden Grid is hands-off for legal reasons, but not so much as a tip of the hat in that

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Diva Canto
The origin of this thread was OARs and IARs (for content porting between OpenSims), and foreign users (for the HG). I don't think there was ever any intention of grabbing profiles from Second Life, although, as far as I know, those profiles are available on the web so it would be technically fe

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Melanie
Hi, that is a truly secondary concern to me. It is outright illegal to transfer items, creator information or not, unless the creator agrees and cooperates. In this rare case, the creator would register on the destination grid and then have a name and profile. A means of preserving SL creator i

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread James Stallings II
There are some strong ideas here for the future, but I think that the original problem has been lost in the mix (or perhaps I missed something in the thread, not entirely out of the question ;) Unless I am mistaken, the real problem is older content imported from SL - how to preserve the creator ID

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-30 Thread Sean Dague
Melanie wrote: > I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert > user records or profile records into my database. I strongly favor > the "URL" approach, which is neutral as far as my database goes. Ok, so then hash those urls for UUIDs to present to the viewer? We still n

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
ev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie > Sent: 27 March 2009 15:57 > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators > who will never log in > > An asset URI might just be http://asset_server/assets/asset_uuid > &

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Hart
-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Melanie Sent: 27 March 2009 15:57 To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in An asset URI might just be http://asset_server/assets/asset_uuid So, local lookups can be UUID in the DB table.

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Melanie
assets at ReactionGrid now. > > > -Original Message- > From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de > [mailto:opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de] On Behalf Of Justin > Clark-Casey > Sent: 27 March 2009 14:59 > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: Re: [Opensi

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Chris Hart
reator= and then have to re-create that > profile locally, we could have > creator=http://users.osgrid.org/users/justincc/ > > Best regards, > Stefan Andersson > Tribal Media AB > > > > > > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:00:16 +0000 > > From: jjusti...@

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
at > profile locally, we could have > creator=http://users.osgrid.org/users/justincc/ > > Best regards, > Stefan Andersson > Tribal Media AB > > > > > > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:00:16 + > > From: jjusti...@googlemail.com > > To: opensim-dev@lists.

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Diva Canto
I don't know about *never* wanting foreign user info in a DB..., but the URL idea is super! A UUID is a very weak form of identification. We really need to start thinking globally for 'names', and users is a good starting point. So 100+ on URLs as IDs. Melanie wrote: I am absolutely sure that

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Melanie
I am absolutely sure that I would not went HG to ever, EVER, insert user records or profile records into my database. I strongly favor the "URL" approach, which is neutral as far as my database goes. Melanie Sean Dague wrote: > Justin Clark-Casey wrote: > > (3) Separate the current 'users' ta

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Sean Dague
Justin Clark-Casey wrote: > (3) Separate the current 'users' table into 'userprofiles' and 'users' tables. >=20 > 'userprofiles' will largely contain all the metadata about a user that = you can see in the profile on the Linden Labs=20 > Second Life client today (name, about, interests, 1st life,

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-27 Thread Stefan Andersson
tefan Andersson Tribal Media AB > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:00:16 + > From: jjusti...@googlemail.com > To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de > Subject: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will > never log in > > Hello, > > For Inventory Archives

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-26 Thread John Sheridan
quot;Diva Canto" > To: > Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:09 PM > Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who > will never log in > > > >> Whatever you decided to do (option 3 seems the cleanest), this will >> probably also

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-26 Thread Brianna
d allow travel with boats and ballooning in the future days from known Grid citizens. - Original Message - From: "Diva Canto" To: Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in > Whatever

Re: [Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-26 Thread Diva Canto
Whatever you decided to do (option 3 seems the cleanest), this will probably also be used in the Hypergrid, to keep track of foreign users. I need that! :-) Justin Clark-Casey wrote: > Hello, > > For Inventory Archives I plan to preserve item creator information. When the > archive is loaded I

[Opensim-dev] RFC: Ways of creating profiles for creators who will never log in

2009-03-26 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Hello, For Inventory Archives I plan to preserve item creator information. When the archive is loaded I would like to recreate these profiles where possible/necessary (grid operators can choose not to allow this and that will be the default, I expect). However, unless an item creator has an