Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Stefan Andersson
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Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Melanie
That member was actually introduced for the load balancer only, and is not supposed to be accessed by anything else. But, it's a case in point where a specialized application would not be possible if only an interface were passed. Melanie Stefan Andersson wrote:

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Stefan Andersson
instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism That member was actually introduced for the load balancer only, and is not supposed to be accessed by anything else. But, it's a case in point where a specialized application would not be possible if only an interface were passed

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Sean Dague wrote: Melanie wrote: Hi, as a mid to long range goal, +1, actually. but in the short run, the ability to load and unload regions is blocked by the existing module API, and to fix this basic piece of functionality, they need to be migrated to the new API, asap. If this is

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Melanie
Looks like you didn't read my post. I said, as a mid to long range goal, yes. I didn't say we should never have it. I said it would block critical fixes if it were forced onto the new region module interface now. I'm not bullying anyone. You have not yet had the pleasure of seeing me bully

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Melanie wrote: Looks like you didn't read my post. I said, as a mid to long range goal, yes. I didn't say we should never have it. I said it would block critical fixes if it were forced onto the new region module interface now. In your earlier posts you vehemently decried any notion of

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-15 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Melanie wrote: The important turning point of the discussion was when the talk turned to splitting things out of Scene. I'm still dead set against hiding Scene as it is today behind an interface, because it would turn into just as unmaintainable a behemoth as IClientAPI is. However,

[Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Hey Homer (since this is primarily addressed to you :), I see you're making some progress on the up-and-coming new region modules mechanism. Instead of passing Scene itself to region modules, could we create an interface so that we better control the amount of innards that we expose to region

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Homer Horwitz
Hi Justin, On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Justin Clark-Casey jjusti...@googlemail.com wrote: ... Instead of passing Scene itself to region modules, could we create an interface so that we better control the amount of innards that we expose to region modules? It's convenient-ish to give

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Stefan Andersson
] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism Hey Homer (since this is primarily addressed to you :), I see you're making some progress on the up-and-coming new region modules mechanism. Instead of passing Scene itself to region modules, could we create

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Melanie
I'm not happy with supplying IScene. It would basically curtail the functionality of region modules to what core believes should be possible, and will lead to ugly upcasting (Scene)IScene that the code is already rife with. So, I'm not seeing that as a good idea at all, it limits things too

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Melanie
will? On my mind for a long time, both these things has been. Best regards, Stefan Andersson Tribal Media AB Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:02:45 +0100 From: jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Stefan Andersson
-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism I'm not happy with supplying IScene. It would basically curtail the functionality of region modules to what core believes should be possible

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Stefan Andersson
. Best regards, Stefan Andersson Tribal Media AB Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:02:45 +0100 From: jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism Hey Homer (since

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Apr 2009 18:02:45 +0100 From: jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism Hey Homer (since this is primarily addressed to you :), I see you're making some progress on the up

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Teravus Ovares
: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism Hey Homer (since this is primarily addressed to you :), I see you're making some progress on the up-and-coming new region modules mechanism. Instead of passing Scene itself to region

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Melanie
, both these things has been. Best regards, Stefan Andersson Tribal Media AB Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 18:02:45 +0100 From: jjusti...@googlemail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Melanie
, 14 Apr 2009 20:32:48 +0200 From: mela...@t-data.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism I'm not happy with supplying IScene. It would basically curtail the functionality of region modules

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Stefan Andersson
] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism Hi, as a mid to long range goal, +1, actually. but in the short run, the ability to load and unload regions is blocked by the existing module API, and to fix this basic piece of functionality, they need

Re: [Opensim-dev] Supplying IScene instead of Scene for the future region modules mechanism

2009-04-14 Thread Johan Berntsson
Better to keep it simple for now, but making a IScene is probably ok later on. I did a quick grep through my region modules (extsim, load balancer, some private stuff) and found that I'm using these functions. I'm sure other people use more. /Johan scene.AddNewSceneObject