[Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread diva
In the light of recent events, I want to make this plea explicit and widely distributed: http://www.metaverseink.com/blog/?p=30 No need to panic, the project is not in danger. But it became clear to me that we need to raise awareness of this issue, so that people in this community stop and

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mark Malewski
Diva, Excellent blog post!! Investors/business managers are always looking to stop innovation by attempting to file patents, and bring the open-source community to an end. Thank-you for the wonderful post. Mark On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:15 AM, d...@metaverseink.com wrote:

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Daniel Smith
Excellent post. I wonder what people think of the approach of creating prior art in the near term. Think of what is likely to be needed, and get rough implementations/prototypes out there. I am thinking of Diva's point of code fast. It makes me think put lots of stakes in the obvious ground

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Frank Nichols
It's too late for that - and as someone pointed out, intentionally breaching a patent qualifies for triple damages. Attempts to code fast before the patent is issued would be interpreted as exactly that. Unfortunately, the ball is in the patent office's court now. Prior art can be submitted

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Robert A. Knop Jr.
On Wed, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:23:40PM -0700, Frank Nichols wrote: It's too late for that - and as someone pointed out, intentionally breaching a patent qualifies for triple damages. Attempts to code fast before the patent is issued would be interpreted as exactly that. I don't think that's

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread James Stallings II
Some history may be in order here; I wont drag you through each and every phase of virtual world development, but I can tell you that googling 'virtual worlds' turns up prior art for almost everything we do (or will do) with opensim, dating back to the late 1970s. It may not be widely known by

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mark Malewski
What exactly is going on? Did someone apply for a patent? Are ANY patents pending? If so, please let us know what patents are currently pending, so we can at least look them over and contest them. I've had virtual worlds running since 1991, with 3D shopping malls, online e-commerce, etc. I'd

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Frisby, Adam
Guys, I've said this before. DO NOT POST PATENTS ON THIS MAILING LIST. AVOID LOOKING AT THEM IF POSSIBLE. Everyone who looks at them is now liable for wilful infringement if they submit code around that area after looking at it. Regards, Adam From: opensim-dev-boun...@lists.berlios.de

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread David Simmons
Sometimes companies submit a patent application just to cover their rear-ends. They may not even expect to get the patent, but don't want to be dragged into court later because someone else got a patent - ie. Microsoft losing the xml case for MS Word 2007. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Frisby,

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mircea Kitsune
Although I don't know all the details on how this works, I know patents are horrible thing that should not exist, and people use them in ways that should never be allowed. I dearly hope Opensim will never have to face such dangers, and that it will always stay clear of these things. I guess

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mark Malewski
Patents are just used by patent troll lawyers, that spend their time just screwing with people (and corporations) by threatening with expensive litigation/law suits. These companies/managers just apply for patents on just about anything, and after looking at this past patent application, I'm

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Robert Martin
On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Mark Malewski mark.malew...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm extremely disappointed that IBM would stoop to such a low level.  Large corporations seem to do a good job using teams of lawyers to just create these silly blanket patents, and shot gun approach to patents.

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mark Malewski
The best thing that IBM can do is donate the patents they hold to the Community to that those patents off the table unless somebody decides to get skunky. Yeah, I agree. Donate the patents to a non-profit organization (third party alliance) and then take the whole patent game out of this. That

Re: [Opensim-dev] personal plea on patents

2010-02-03 Thread Mark Malewski
The whole patent process is screwed up, and it's only getting worse. The proposed changes (in 2009 Patent Reform) would turn the United States into a Patent legal nightmare. At least as a current first to invent country, we don't have to deal with as much of the silly nonsense from large