Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-17 Thread Stefan Andersson
Actaully, how would y'all feel about a simple abstraction of our own; Making an OpenSim.Framework IConfig interface of our own, that just exposes a few, simple config methods, like; TValue IConfig.SetConfigValueTValue(string key, TValue value); TValue IConfig.GetConfigValueTValue(string

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-17 Thread Teravus Ovares
Any chance we could finish this up soon? It's hard to work on OpenSimulator when I have to do a clean checkout every few days or the pluginloader throws errors. Best Regards Teravus On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 8:13 AM, Melanie mela...@t-data.com wrote: I'm not happy with that. I see no evil in

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-17 Thread Dr Scofield
Melanie wrote: I'm not happy with that. I see no evil in the nini references and I like the option of using nin for private config files outside of OpenSim.ini. Also, I have several modules that read the config from another module, so they need to be able to address sections. Limiting

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-01 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Homer Horwitz wrote: Ok, I'll try to summarize a bit: Sean had the great idea to use a dialect-independent way of naming our methods: I'll use Init and PostInit :-) Justin wondered whether we need an Init* method at all or if we just could init on first region-add. The benefit of a

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-01 Thread Melanie
Hi, PostInitialise is extremely important, because it is called at a time when all modules' Initialise has been run. That means, all modules have registered their interfaces and RequestModuleInterface() is safe to use in PostInitialise _only_ in a module context. Several existing

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-02-01 Thread Mike Mazur
Hi, On Sun, 1 Feb 2009 18:51:33 +0100 Homer Horwitz homerhorw...@googlemail.com wrote: We need a possibility to disable modules (preferably without first loading them) without removing the *.dll; and there were some wishes about the loader, pro and contra Mono.Addins. I think I'll have a

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-28 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Homer Horwitz wrote: Hi all, the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've put up some thoughts at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion. Please answer on the associated

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread Dr Scofield
MW wrote: I have to say I'm not a big fan of what I've seen of mono.addins so far. Maybe ExtensionLoader is better, so I do think we should look at that. As I think it is better to only have one system of loading plugins/modules. As for initialise vs Initialize, hehe. Well personally I think

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread Dr Scofield
Charles Krinke wrote: ROFL. Oh, it was the 'z' versus the 's' you were discussing. I thought it was the i versus the I. ROFL. yeah, i can imagine there are folks out there that object to the capital I as being too capitalistic... -- dr dirk husemann virtual worlds research ibm

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread Dr Scofield
Ryan McDougall wrote: My apologies for thread-jacking... I just want to be clear I didn't propose it because I came later and decided I didn't like UK spelling. I am Canadian and historically Canadians have used UK spelling. I proposed it for the same reason (US) English is the standard

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread Dr Scofield
MW wrote: But do we standardize on one variant or standardise on that? Sorry couldn't stop myself :) that was a test :-) or was that a tezt? :-D DrS/dirk -- dr dirk husemann virtual worlds research ibm zurich research lab SL: dr scofield drscofi...@xyzzyxyzzy.net

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread MW
This is more to do with how we use Mono.Addins, but we really should make it a lot easier to separate the various UGAIM servers, so that each one can be in its own directory without needing the other UGAIM exe's to be in there. By default we have the loading of plugins referencing all the

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-26 Thread Dr Scofield
Ideia Boa wrote: I think it was a te5t not a te2t :) oop5, m3 b4d. Dr5/d1rk Dr Scofield wrote: MW wrote: But do we standardize on one variant or standardise on that? Sorry couldn't stop myself :) that was a test :-) or was that a tezt? :-D DrS/dirk

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Homer Horwitz
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 3:33 AM, Jeff Ames jeffa...@gmail.com wrote: ... For a non-shared module, is there a functional difference between Initialise and AddRegion? Likewise with RemoveRegion and Close. Registration happens in Initialise, so when the AddRegion call happens, all the modules are

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Ryan McDougall
My apologies for thread-jacking... I just want to be clear I didn't propose it because I came later and decided I didn't like UK spelling. I am Canadian and historically Canadians have used UK spelling. I proposed it for the same reason (US) English is the standard language of all things

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread MW
On that page it did use to say we used UK spelling, but that seems to have got lost through time. On this whole subject I do think we should stay with Uk spelling, but I don't see it as that big a deal, if we all decide to swap to US spellings then so be it. But I don't agree that US

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Ryan McDougall
On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 12:56 PM, Teravus Ovares tera...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm.. whenever someone brings up an issue of common standards, professionalism, code quality, and cooperation, I get suspitious.. what might he 'really' be trying to do? *cough*.. anyway. Software Engineering?

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread MW
Or we can use either '2' or '5' instead of 'Z' and 'S' . '2' being closer to Z. And '5' being closer to S. So maybe we should vote on if it should be 2 or 5 we use. Teravus Ovares tera...@gmail.com wrote: Lets make purposeful mispellings.. like website addresses.. so that when people

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Homer Horwitz
As this thread has been thoroughly hijacked, I guess there aren't any further relevant (um, I meant technical) problems with the proposal? Cheers, Homer ___ Opensim-dev mailing list Opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Sean Dague
MW wrote: Yeah I wasn't really being serious that we should try to get as many spelling systems or langauges as we can. So I do agree that it would be best to have one, but its hard to force people to use one system if that is different to what they are used to. Its just natural to spell

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Justin Clark-Casey
Homer Horwitz wrote: On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Justin Clark-Casey jjusti...@googlemail.com wrote: Could you wait a couple more days on this? I don't really have the opportunity to give this the attention that it deserves today (Sunday) and I may not be around at all tomorrow but I

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread MW
actually should we wait a while and get more reaction. As this is going to effect anyone who has a module that isn't in trunk. Seems a lot of hasle for such a small thing. Would seem better to wait and make the change when/if we change to homer's new module interface. MW

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Sean Dague
MW wrote: actually should we wait a while and get more reaction. As this is going to effect anyone who has a module that isn't in trunk. Seems a lot of hasle for such a small thing. Would seem better to wait and make the change when/if we change to homer's new module interface. Yes,

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-25 Thread Stefan Andersson
Ok, so I suggest we establish an 0.7 roadmap page. With that one as a 'definite', not a 'discussion'.Best regards,Stefan AnderssonTribal Media AB Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 15:27:29 -0500 From: sda...@gmail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a

[Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-24 Thread Homer Horwitz
Hi all, the current system for handling region-modules is slightly broken if you add/remove regions dynamically (or even for region-restarts). I've put up some thoughts at http://opensimulator.org/wiki/New_Region_Modules for discussion. Please answer on the associated 'discussion' page or here on

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-24 Thread Charles Krinke
ROFL. Oh, it was the 'z' versus the 's' you were discussing. I thought it was the i versus the I. From: Dahlia Trimble dahliatrim...@gmail.com To: opensim-dev@lists.berlios.de Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 4:39:03 PM Subject: Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for

Re: [Opensim-dev] Proposal for a cleanup/correction of the region-module system

2009-01-24 Thread Frisby, Adam
One other suggested change. Let's remove IConfigSource from the RegionModule Initialise method - and instead make some kind of globally accessible (via Scene?) .Config. The reason for this is twofold: 1. We pass config in multiple times, one per scene. 2. It introduces a dependency on Nini