Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the default pagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Dave Marquardt wrote: Roland == Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roland Did anyone thought about creating a tuneable in /etc/system to set the Roland (preferred) default page size for stackhead to something else than 8k Roland (e.g. 64k) globally (instead of using libmpss.so - which

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the default pagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
James Carlson wrote: Roland Mainz writes: Did anyone thought about creating a tuneable in /etc/system to set the (preferred) default page size for stackhead to something else than 8k (e.g. 64k) globally (instead of using libmpss.so - which does not work for inital processes, deamons

[osol-discuss] Using different swap devices for different projectids...

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Hi! Is it currently somehow possible to assign processes running under one projectid to one specific swap device and others to another set of swap devices ? The scenario would be a machine shared by two workgroups (all memory slots full) and one of them bought a set of solid-state disks to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: VMware's rock around the clock...

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Jürgen Keil wrote: What kind of cpu is used on the host OS? A dual core AMD cpu perhaps? In this case, a wild guess is that it could be the AMD TSC drift issue with dual core cpus: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.unix.solaris/msg/ce39f46758e5e539?hl=en; As a workaround, try to use

Re: [osol-discuss] FUSE on Solaris

2006-03-07 Thread Frank Hofmann - Solaris Sustaining
Gerard J. Cerchio wrote: Hi Frankho, Has there been any progress or discussion porting FUSE to Solaris? Well, first I'd like to see FUSE revamped a little bit. Last time I checked (note: My knowledge is almost a year old so I could be wrong) it was very difficult to write FUSE

Re: [osol-discuss] FUSE on Solaris

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Frank Hofmann - Solaris Sustaining wrote: Gerard J. Cerchio wrote: Has there been any progress or discussion porting FUSE to Solaris? Well, first I'd like to see FUSE revamped a little bit. Last time I checked (note: My knowledge is almost a year old so I could be wrong) it was very

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Name: The project has been known internally as Tamarack for quite some time. Since we need a shorter alternative to removable media and hotpluggable device enhancements and two codenames for one project would be confusing, I suggest that we keep the name (unless it

[osol-discuss] Re: cant see my 2 disks

2006-03-07 Thread Phil Plouffe
If probe-scsi-all show your disks then maybe your disks don't have the right label: Try a format -e on a prompt and check your labels and partitions; Solaris install will not see your disks if the label is not SMI... This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Shantnu Sharma
Tamarack is a great name .I doubt that it is offensive in any other language since there are several companies out there with that name, including Tamarack Funds and Tamarack Scientific Darren J Moffat wrote: Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Name: The project has been known internally as

[osol-discuss] SXCR/onnv status

2006-03-07 Thread Karyn Ritter
SXCR 34 was released yesterday (3/6), as scheduled. Steve will release another nightly sync with onnv_35 today (3/7) or tomorrow (3/8). Hopefully you all noticed that the source for the packaging tools was also released yesterday. See http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/ for all the

[osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
Wide open question here. If I have a server based on build 35 and am running with a ZFS filesystem shared out via NFS am I safe to assume that there will be no substantial changes to ZFS for the next year or so? While there may be the occasional patch or minor tweak I have this gut feeling that

Re: [osol-discuss] SXCR/onnv status

2006-03-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/7/06, Karyn Ritter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SXCR 34 was released yesterday (3/6), as scheduled. Excellent .. thank you. Steve will release another nightly sync with onnv_35 today (3/7) or tomorrow (3/8). Hopefully you all noticed that the source for the packaging tools You mean the

Re: [osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Dennis, Tuesday, March 7, 2006, 3:33:08 PM, you wrote: DC Wide open question here. DC If I have a server based on build 35 and am running with a ZFS DC filesystem shared out via NFS am I safe to assume that there will be DC no substantial changes to ZFS for the next year or so? While

[osol-discuss] Re: Building the kernel with Studio 11 supported?

2006-03-07 Thread Michael Lee
Would you mind dropping the subject? It's been a little beaten to death and it's pointless to drag it on. You have a couple of solutions--actually a third, if you don't mind putting a bit of effort, i.e., you have the source and Studio 11, make it work--and at some point Open Solaris will

[osol-discuss] Slides for SVOSUG....

2006-03-07 Thread John Kaitschuck
I have noticed that on the SVOSUG page - http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/svosug/ That the videos are sometimes hard to follow slide wise with lighting issues, etc. While I appreciate the videos I was wondering if PDF files of the slides sets could be posted there as well?

Re: [osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Darren J Moffat
Robert Milkowski wrote: I belive that some new features like encryption, other compression algorithms or hot spare support will be added relatively soon. Depends on your definition of soon when it comes to the crypto support. There is no funded and agreed on roadmap yet even though the

[osol-discuss] Re: Code gates

2006-03-07 Thread UNIX admin
I would also hesitate to call it sophisticated. If you are just talking about ON (i.e., all the stuff in OpenSolaris), then it's really pretty simple. If you are talking about all of Solaris (including Gnome, CDE, the install tools, etc), then it is complicated but not particularly

Re: [request-sponsor] Re: [osol-discuss] Contributing Code

2006-03-07 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Joel Buckley wrote: I manage a consolidation with a total of 2 developers. Even with this size the gatekeeper role is intact. I would suggest the wording be explicitly stated for the gatekeeper. Then describe the role the gatekeeper conducts as part of the product release process. Perhaps

[osol-discuss] Slides for SVOSUG....

2006-03-07 Thread John Kaitschuck
I have noticed that on the SVOSUG page - http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/svosug/ that the videos are sometimes hard to follow, slide wise, with lighting issues, etc. While I appreciate the videos I was wondering if PDF files of the slides sets could be posted there as well?

Re: [request-sponsor] Re: [osol-discuss] Contributing Code

2006-03-07 Thread Joel Buckley
Alan Coopersmith wrote: James Carlson wrote: Having engineers rather than gatekeepers marking bugs as integrated, as Alan describes for non-ON gates, seems broken to me. Well, it is admittedly for gates with no gatekeepers. When you have a fraction of the developers ON does, you get

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the default pagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Roland Mainz wrote: The goal would to have _everything_ use 64k pages by default (instead of 8k pages) to squish the last bits of performace out of a system (primarily HPC configurations with lots of memory[1]), including that bits such as tmpfs, |getpagesize()|/|sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE)| make use

Re: [osol-discuss] Slides for SVOSUG....

2006-03-07 Thread Alan DuBoff
On Tuesday 07 March 2006 07:39 am, John Kaitschuck wrote: I have noticed that on the SVOSUG page - http://opensolaris.org/os/community/os_user_groups/svosug/ that the videos are sometimes hard to follow, slide wise, with lighting issues, etc. While I appreciate the videos I was wondering if

Re: [osol-discuss] Using different swap devices for different projectids...

2006-03-07 Thread Andrei Dorofeev
Hi Roland, What you're asking for is called Swap Sets (as an extension for Resource Pools). This feature is not available in Solaris today, but it is on the list of things to do after Memory Sets. - Andrei On 3/7/06, Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! Is it currently somehow

Re: [osol-discuss] Using different swap devices for different projectids...

2006-03-07 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-07 02:04]: Is it currently somehow possible to assign processes running under one projectid to one specific swap device and others to another set of swap devices ? The scenario would be a machine shared by two workgroups (all memory slots full) and

Re: [osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Dennis Clarke wrote: Wide open question here. If I have a server based on build 35 and am running with a ZFS filesystem shared out via NFS am I safe to assume that there will be no substantial changes to ZFS for the next year or so? While there may be the occasional patch or minor tweak I have

Re: [osol-discuss] Schillix 0.5.1 mini review

2006-03-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/7/06, Joerg Schilling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ken mays [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 3. The DHCP process worked better than in other OpenSolaris distros. No 'hangs' during ethernet detection or initialization. Thank you for this positive view. I will enhance the DHCP procedure for the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Code gates

2006-03-07 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 08:13:01AM -0800, UNIX admin wrote: The reason I took up interest in the code gates is that some of the kernel engineering folks' posts seem to imply there's 'gatekeeper' logic of some sort sitting on a code gate, doing basic sanity checks on the putback source code.

Re: [osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 01:21:52PM -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: What I am looking for here is a warm and fuzzy feeling in my gut that I can perform my last BFU on this box and then run with it for the next year. It will have power and cooling and love. Nothing else. It will also have the

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Thanks, Artem. You have some seconds. Eric will get you set up. Jim Artem Kachitchkine wrote: Solaris lags considerably in terms of removable media and hotpluggable device management on the desktop. A detailed problem statement and some recommendations can be found in the Solaris Desktop

Re: [osol-discuss] Community/Project Proposals Update: 3/6/06

2006-03-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
I neglected to add a section to this report yesterday for proposals that didn't get consensus (or a second for projects), are over the 30 day time limit, or lack a CAB vote. So, the following proposals are void and will be removed from next week's report. If community members wish to revisit

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Weekly News #2

2006-03-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
These are very helpful, Glynn. Thanks. I'll link to these in the monthly newsletter. Jim Glynn Foster wrote: Hi, Here's OpenSolaris Weekly News #2. As always feedback, or content [from the missing represented communities] welcome. Glynn == Jim Grisanzio reported [1] that he has published

Re: [osol-discuss] VMware's rock around the clock...

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Andy Tucker wrote: On 3/6/06, Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hitting some problems with Solaris guest installations in VMware (e.g. Solaris being the guest in a VMware VM): Sometimes the clock is going out-of-sync. I configured xntpd to counteract these issues - but suddenly at

Re: [osol-discuss] VMware's rock around the clock...

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Dennis Clarke wrote: On 3/7/06, Andy Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/6/06, Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm hitting some problems with Solaris guest installations in VMware (e.g. Solaris being the guest in a VMware VM): Sometimes the clock is going out-of-sync. I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Code gates

2006-03-07 Thread lianep
Keith M Wesolowski writes: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 08:13:01AM -0800, UNIX admin wrote: The reason I took up interest in the code gates is that some of the kernel engineering folks' posts seem to imply there's 'gatekeeper' logic of some sort sitting on a code gate, doing basic sanity

Re: [osol-discuss] Can we consider ZFS to be production ready now ?

2006-03-07 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/7/06, Keith M Wesolowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Mar 07, 2006 at 01:21:52PM -0500, Dennis Clarke wrote: What I am looking for here is a warm and fuzzy feeling in my gut that I can perform my last BFU on this box and then run with it for the next year. It will have power and

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: nfs4trace -- a DTrace provider for NFSv4

2006-03-07 Thread Adam Leventhal
This is really excellent, Sam. Thanks for doing this. +1 - ahl On Mon, Mar 06, 2006 at 04:17:15PM -0700, Sam Falkner wrote: I have been doing some work on making a DTrace provider for NFSv4. See this blog entry for more details:

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Bart Smaalders wrote: Roland Mainz wrote: The goal would to have _everything_ use 64k pages by default (instead of 8k pages) to squish the last bits of performace out of a system (primarily HPC configurations with lots of memory[1]), including that bits such as tmpfs,

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Casper . Dik
Was this project integrated into Solaris 10 ? No, it failed at some of the last hurdles: not breaking software. Which code breaks ? Userland or kernel code ? Was there a common cause (or better: What was the most common cause...) which triggered problems (for example stack overflow) ?

Re: [osol-discuss] VMware's rock around the clock...

2006-03-07 Thread Bill Rushmore
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Roland Mainz wrote: It may be much better to think about getting VMware itself running on top of Solaris x86 (e.g. Solaris x86 as host OS) - then I wouldn't have to fight Linux on the laptop anymore... :-) A big +1 from me on that! Bill rushmores.net

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was this project integrated into Solaris 10 ? No, ;-(( it failed at some of the last hurdles: not breaking software. Why wasn't it put into the kernel but disabled by default ? Which code breaks ? Userland or kernel code ? Was there a common cause (or better:

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Dave Marquardt
Roland == Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Roland Bart Smaalders wrote: Roland Mainz wrote: The goal would to have _everything_ use 64k pages by default (instead of 8k pages) to squish the last bits of performace out of a system (primarily HPC configurations with lots of memory[1]),

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Roland Mainz wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was this project integrated into Solaris 10 ? No, ;-(( it failed at some of the last hurdles: not breaking software. Why wasn't it put into the kernel but disabled by default ? Because that just multiplies our test matrix, and having a

Re: [osol-discuss] RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set the defaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Bart Smaalders wrote: Roland Mainz wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Was this project integrated into Solaris 10 ? No, ;-(( it failed at some of the last hurdles: not breaking software. Why wasn't it put into the kernel but disabled by default ? Because that just multiplies our

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solaris lags considerably in terms of removable media and hotpluggable device management on the desktop. A detailed problem statement and some recommendations can be found in the Solaris Desktop Gap Analysis:

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
Joerg, Thanks for your feedback. That's a lot of stuff, it's probably better to break it up into smaller pieces, around which discussions could focus - some in desktop-discuss, some in approachability-discuss. It's hard to think about many problems simultaneously. I will only address this

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Joerg Schilling
Artem Kachitchkine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg, Thanks for your feedback. That's a lot of stuff, it's probably better to break it up into smaller pieces, around which discussions could focus - some in desktop-discuss, some in approachability-discuss. It's hard to think about many

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: Removable Media Enhancements aka Tamarack

2006-03-07 Thread Artem Kachitchkine
http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/d463747ed8a5291c/28cd281aa2c8408c?lnk=stq=%22If+you+cannot+maintain+a+stable+kernel+interface%22rnum=1#28cd281aa2c8408c No-no, that's just Linus performing his Tyranosaurus Rex impression. Dammit, if this is the logic and mode

Re: [osol-discuss] Project Proposal: nfs4trace -- a DTrace provider for NFSv4

2006-03-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Thanks, Sam. You have a couple of seconds. Eric will get you guys set up. Jim Sam Falkner wrote: I have been doing some work on making a DTrace provider for NFSv4. See this blog entry for more details: http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/samf?entry=a_dtrace_provider_for_nfs I would like to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set thedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Eric Lowe wrote: but there's too much code out there that just breaks. The programmers made implicit assumptions about the approximate size of a page, and that was that. Which code breaks ? Userland or kernel code ? Was Userland. The problem is that mmap() exposed too much detail

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set thedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Eric Lowe
Roland Mainz wrote: Userland. The problem is that mmap() exposed too much detail and as a result assumptions about sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) or even the range of possible values resulted in programs dying when sysconf returns 64K for the pagesize. In other words, the value of sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE)

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set thedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Bart Smaalders
Roland Mainz wrote: Eric Lowe wrote: but there's too much code out there that just breaks. The programmers made implicit assumptions about the approximate size of a page, and that was that. Which code breaks ? Userland or kernel code ? Was Userland. The problem is that mmap() exposed too

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
Eric Lowe wrote: Roland Mainz wrote: Userland. The problem is that mmap() exposed too much detail and as a result assumptions about sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) or even the range of possible values resulted in programs dying when sysconf returns 64K for the pagesize. In other words, the value

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread David S. Miller
From: Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:14:25 +0100 This could be very unfortunate since it limits future development (at least for Solaris... other operating systems like Linux are likely not affected, right ?). The decision may be acceptable today - but in twenty

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Jonathan Adams
On Wed, Mar 08, 2006 at 02:14:25AM +0100, Roland Mainz wrote: BTW: The discussion was about a _tuneable_ which could be set to a value used as default page size (used by kernel and returned by |getpagesize()|co.) - the default for this tuneable should remain 8k. It would allow people to switch

Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- February 2006

2006-03-07 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Linda Bernal wrote: Here is an update on OpenSolaris for the month of February: http://opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/feb06/ We are accepting contributions for the March newsletter, please send them to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'd like to include some new sections in the March issue

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Roland Mainz
David S. Miller wrote: From: Roland Mainz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2006 02:14:25 +0100 This could be very unfortunate since it limits future development (at least for Solaris... other operating systems like Linux are likely not affected, right ?). The decision may be

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to setthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Eric Lowe
Roland Mainz wrote: This could be very unfortunate since it limits future development (at least for Solaris... other operating systems like Linux are likely not affected, right ?). The decision may be acceptable today - but in twenty years it _may_ become a real problem - assuming the optimum

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable tosetthedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Eric Lowe
David S. Miller wrote: The only thing that breaks is if apps don't call sysconf(_SC_PAGESIZE) or some similar function such as getpagesize() to obtain that information portably. .. or they make assumptions about the possible range of values. ;) Or did Solaris accidently return 8K always in

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: RFE: /etc/system tuneable to set thedefaultpagesize

2006-03-07 Thread Casper . Dik
Yes, exactly. Once enough applications make assumptions about pagesize the platform pagesize might as well have been part of the ABI.. as I recall it was more than one application that broke, so we can't reasonable change it now and claim to remain binary compatible. And even between 4K