Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ken Mays
Ken Gunderson wrote: 'Could we please have links to these third party tests?' Phoronix has a test report to debate between OSOL-DEV-b127 and FreeBSD 8.0: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=freebsd8_benchmarks&num=10 The newer article was January 25, 2010 based on FreeBSD 8.0 and

[osol-discuss] FAQ: The Big Website Merge -java.sun.com, developers.sun.com, BigAdmin, OTN

2010-07-02 Thread Edward Martinez
I thought this info would be helpful during the website merging. excerpt: What's happening? On July 19, we will complete migration of all non-obsolete content from developers.sun.com, java.sun.com, and BigAdmin to a completely re-architected, re-designed Oracle Technology Network site. This si

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Edward Martinez
> Hi, > > While searching for details of Solaris 10 update 9, I > found the following on > http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html > > Extract > > Solaris Next not OpenSolaris? > Many of us have patiently been awaiting the 2010.xx > release of OpenSolaris frustrated by the lack of >

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Rainer J. H. Brandt
Alan Snelson writes: > That link works for me - and now I have something to play with this weekend :) It works for me, too. But when I try to import the appliance, Virtualbox 3.2.2 says: Failed to import appliance The machine is not mutable (state is PoweredOff). I don't think there's much I can d

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Paul Gress
On 07/ 2/10 03:43 PM, russell wrote: Hi, While searching for details of Solaris 10 update 9, I found the following on http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html I've been thinking the same thing for a while. It makes a lot of sense, and all the evidence/pieces fit. If and whe

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread russell
Hi, While searching for details of Solaris 10 update 9, I found the following on http://sparcv9.blogspot.com/2010_06_01_archive.html Extract Solaris Next not OpenSolaris? Many of us have patiently been awaiting the 2010.xx release of OpenSolaris frustrated by the lack of communication from Or

Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox/OpenSolaris

2010-07-02 Thread Gary
Thank you. I'll post the question in the forum on virtualbox.org. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] CFP for Surge Scalability Conference 2010

2010-07-02 Thread Jason Dixon
A quick reminder that there's one week left to submit your abstract for this year's Surge Scalability Conference. The event is taking place on Sept 30 and Oct 1, 2010 in Baltimore, MD. Surge focuses on case studies that address production failures and the re-engineering efforts that led to victor

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ken Gunderson
Ken - Could we please have links to these third party tests? The last I saw put FBSD-8.0-RELEASE and OSOL each clearly beating the other in certain sub tests. My conclusion from the analysis put them at overall even for general all around use. Thank you. -- This message posted from opensolar

Re: [osol-discuss] zpool move, and compatibility with wd advanced format drives

2010-07-02 Thread Ray Arachelian
Ah, zpool export -f century, followed by zpool import fixed it. online/offline is actually for individual disks. Anyway, I'm going to build another zpool off those WD20EARS 2T advanced format 4KB block drives. Anyone have any info about what's best for using them with opensolaris? ___

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Gary
"From some tests reports provided by third party analysts, OSOL 2009.06 and OSOL-DEV performed as well or better than FreeBSD and Fedora (Linux)." Strictly speaking to VirtualBox running on OpenSolaris 2009.06/build 129/ build 134 and FreeBSD 8.0-RELEASE: FreeBSD hands-down beats OpenSolaris in

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
> Based on what Paul said > > I don't think 'us' as the community that use Solaris > or OpenSolaris-based distros > should feel shafted if Oracle is focused on releasing > Solaris 11. I'd hope we'd want this > as the end goal as most of the OpenSolaris-based core > snapshots were not considere

Re: [osol-discuss] VirtualBox/OpenSolaris

2010-07-02 Thread Calum Benson
On 2 Jul 2010, at 18:54, Gary wrote: > The reason given by some for OpenSolaris is there are bugs. Well, if that is > truly the case for not releasing OpenSolaris, then what propels them to > constantly have new versions of VirtualBox instead of having a more stable > and bug-free product? Y

Re: [osol-discuss] zpool move, and compatibility with wd advanced format drives

2010-07-02 Thread Ray Arachelian
On 07/02/2010 01:19 PM, Andre Lue wrote: > what does the following show: > echo | format > Hi Andre, Yeah, exactly that. format shows c11, but zpool status shows c9. So it did move controllers. Not sure why it says cdrom there, but if I pick drive #2, it warn me that it's part of an active z

[osol-discuss] VirtualBox/OpenSolaris

2010-07-02 Thread Gary
Why do they release a newer version of VirtualBox so frequently? Releases appear faster than the ex-wife could spend money. The reason given by some for OpenSolaris is there are bugs. Well, if that is truly the case for not releasing OpenSolaris, then what propels them to constantly have new

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ken Gunderson
Thanks for digging that up. This is precisely what I was referencing. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ken Gunderson
Briefly, because I don't want to get into depth about FBSD on an OS forum: 1) ZFS: No, I'm not planning to use ZFS on FBSD. At least not yet. I, too, have a long history with FBSD, dating back to 2.8 (??) days. I left it circa 6.x because of frustration with file system snafus resulting from

Re: [osol-discuss] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ down ???

2010-07-02 Thread Edward Martinez
> > Can someone please tell me if > > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ temporarily > > down or ??? > > > > Is the contents here mirrored or relocated > somewhere > > else? > > > > thanks > > appears "opensolaris.com" is also down, I can't > access it. I guess we are being integrated at the

Re: [osol-discuss] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ down ???

2010-07-02 Thread Brian Wilson
On Jul 2, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: Can someone please tell me if http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ temporarily down or ??? Is the contents here mirrored or relocated somewhere else? thanks appears "opensolaris.com" is also down, I can't access it. I guess we are being

Re: [osol-discuss] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ down ???

2010-07-02 Thread Edward Martinez
> Can someone please tell me if > http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ temporarily > down or ??? > > Is the contents here mirrored or relocated somewhere > else? > > thanks appears "opensolaris.com" is also down, I can't access it. I guess we are being integrated at the moment -- This messag

Re: [osol-discuss] zpool move, and compatibility with wd advanced format drives

2010-07-02 Thread Andre Lue
what does the following show: echo | format -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

[osol-discuss] http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ down ???

2010-07-02 Thread Andre Lue
Can someone please tell me if http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/ temporarily down or ??? Is the contents here mirrored or relocated somewhere else? thanks -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-

Re: [osol-discuss] dbt-2 on opensolaris (b134)

2010-07-02 Thread Elaine Ashton
On Jul 1, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Florian Manschwetus wrote: > http://osdldbt.sourceforge.net/ > I'd like to do some tpc-c like test with mysql in a opensolaris zone, > for some research. > > But it looks to me, that building against ips mysql, would ne sun studio > compiler, but with sun studio compi

[osol-discuss] zpool move, and compatibility with wd advanced format drives

2010-07-02 Thread Ray Arachelian
Sorry to shock everyone by asking an actual technical question instead of whinging about the next release, but... :) 1) I have a 4 drive USB array made up of 1T drives hooked up to osol_134 which no longer shows up after I removed an unused USB PCI card (the array was connected to the motherboard

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Victor Latushkin
On 02.07.10 15:28, Matthias Pfützner wrote: And then hopefully on monday place an order for a S7000 system... ;-) All the docs for the S7000 are under: http://wikis.sun.com/display/FishWorks/Fishworks http://blogs.sun.com/fishworks/ Actually it should be available in the Simulator its

Re: [osol-discuss] printer install

2010-07-02 Thread Ghee Teo
On 07/ 2/10 05:05 AM, Norm Jacobs wrote: Assuming that you are running current bits and CUPS is your active print service, It should work. It looks like your printer is supported by the version of gutenprint that is in OpenSolaris. You should be able to use the print manager to create a que

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ken Mays
Based on what Paul said I don't think 'us' as the community that use Solaris or OpenSolaris-based distros should feel shafted if Oracle is focused on releasing Solaris 11. I'd hope we'd want this as the end goal as most of the OpenSolaris-based core snapshots were not considered 'production

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Andre Lue
Link working today for me Thanks I guess the absence of the vmware image means it's no longer offered, only virtualbox image? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
As I said: It's my idea, but no-one currently listening, as fas as I know... ;-( So, no such iPod-moment forseeable, sadly... ;-( But, I at least did set up stuff like that, like others have done: http://blogs.pfuetzner.de/matthias/?p=525 I even updated it again, with a different MoBo, the

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Alan Snelson
I'll take your word on the not worrying front ;-) Bit overcast today but a nice break from the constant heat (yes I'm British)! As for the Atom HOME-NAS - now there's something I might consider ordering on Monday :) Will that come in Oracle red? Alan -- This message posted from opensolaris.or

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Robert Milkowski wrote: > While I can understand it when it applies to commercial only products it > doesn't make much sense > when applied to open source products being in development. This is a new aspect of the long standing tension with the dual nature of the distro named OpenSolaris, since it

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Alan Snelson) wrote: > Thanks Matthias! > > I never say never but until all the FUD surrounding OpenSolaris evaporates > I'll be keeping my options Open :) > > Enjoy the weekend, > Alan Don't worry to much... Enjoy summer... ;-) And: FishWorks is based 100% on OpenSolaris, with some addit

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Alan Snelson
Thanks Matthias! I never say never but until all the FUD surrounding OpenSolaris evaporates I'll be keeping my options Open :) Enjoy the weekend, Alan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
And then hopefully on monday place an order for a S7000 system... ;-) All the docs for the S7000 are under: http://wikis.sun.com/display/FishWorks/Fishworks http://blogs.sun.com/fishworks/ Enjoy! Matthias You (Alan Snelson) wrote: > That link works for me - and now I have something

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Alan Coopersmith > > Ken Gunderson wrote: > > Yeah, but you got to admit that this one surely set a new slippage > > record. > > Not even close: > > [some examples] I might

Re: [osol-discuss] Sun storage simulator, no longer offered or?

2010-07-02 Thread Alan Snelson
That link works for me - and now I have something to play with this weekend :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Robert Milkowski) wrote: > I understand that but all I'm saying is that it is simply wrong when > applied to something like Open Solaris development. There are certainly > technical people here involved with OSOL 2010.06 and with /dev builds. > Before Oracle I'm sure they would explain what

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> I don't recall seeing any Oracle promises. I > believe they were all > assumptions based on information available. The > last promise I > remember seeing is 2010.03 from Sun, not > Oracle. I'm getting really > disappointed in not seeing anything. I would > like to see the > development branch ope

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Ian Collins
On 07/ 2/10 09:07 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: I understand that but all I'm saying is that it is simply wrong when applied to something like Open Solaris development. There are certainly technical people here involved with OSOL 2010.06 and with /dev builds. Before Oracle I'm sure they would e

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Robert Milkowski
I understand that but all I'm saying is that it is simply wrong when applied to something like Open Solaris development. There are certainly technical people here involved with OSOL 2010.06 and with /dev builds. Before Oracle I'm sure they would explain what the issue is, etc. Right now they c

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
Robert, the reason we're silent is at least twofold, I guess... 1.) We simply don't know 2.) There had been way to much discussion with negative, even offending words Eric and Alan did at least try to describe, why we have to be silent. Procedures at Oracle currently do not differentiate betwe

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 01/07/2010 22:03, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Ken Gunderson wrote: Thank you sincerely for clarifying that effectively everyone outside of Oracle with an interest in this somehow came to same deluded conclusion that there was going to be a 2010.H1 release. I didn't say that - clearly

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Matthias Pfützner
I'd call that a "negative interpretation"... On a comparable product: Did you ever see any roadmap, release dates whatever for Oracle Enterprise Linux? Or even for Java? Oracle Solaris Cluster? Siebel? Bea? Matthias -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Svein Skogen An: opensolaris-discus

Re: [osol-discuss] So who is ready to be let down?

2010-07-02 Thread Svein Skogen
On 01.07.2010 23:21, Erik Trimble wrote: > On 7/1/2010 2:08 PM, Hillel Lubman wrote: >>> Oracle Policy >>> >> That's self obvious. I was asking what is that policy exactly. >> > > Generally: No comment on anything in the future. > > To paraphrase Larry:"Why would I want to