Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-18 Thread Peter Tribble
On Thu, 2006-03-16 at 23:01, Dan Price wrote: Thumbs down to the currently proposed community. Sorry guys :( I've been following this discussion, and it seems to me that one problem we have is that the current communities are focussed around subject areas, and we don't differentiate by

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-18 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Sat, Mar 18, 2006 at 06:09:38PM +, Peter Tribble wrote: I've been following this discussion, and it seems to me that one problem we have is that the current communities are focussed around subject areas, and we don't differentiate by audience. So how do we address the needs of

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread James Carlson
Alan Coopersmith writes: There is already a separate community for networking, so if we go that route I think this community should just be for the OS part. Then you'ld have to define OS. The official definition of the Solaris Operating System is the entire WOS, from kernel through

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Thu 03/16/06 at 17:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Things were setup that way before projects existed and everything had to be a community. The Nevada community (which is misnamed to begin with), should become a ONNV project of an ON community which could also host your internals

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Eric Lowe
Jim, Operating System is the entire WOS, from kernel through desktop and servers, all the consolidations, so presumably you're thinking of the subset of ON that's not networking. Maybe Core OS or something? Even at that, I think it's really quite vague and likely implicitly refers to

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread James Carlson
Eric Lowe writes: A really rough strawman might look something like the following community structure in place of core OS: kernel user commands libraries but that's not perfect either. No, it's not. I suppose the problem is that we've really got overlapping sets here, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Joerg Schilling
Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Continuing down that path without providing a more general technical forum means that if I want to keep up on the state of the art of the system internals, I have to drown in non-technical information and discussion. Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, and others have

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Rainer Orth
Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about file systems? Why have ZFS and UFS communities (and possibly NFS in the future) instead of one file system community with three file system projects under it? Speaking of which, it occured to me recently, when I posted a question about the

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Spencer Shepler
On Fri, Rainer Orth wrote: Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about file systems? Why have ZFS and UFS communities (and possibly NFS in the future) instead of one file system community with three file system projects under it? Speaking of which, it occured to me recently, when

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Rainer Orth
Spencer Shepler writes: http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=6717tstart=0 Just FYI, the response is forthcoming; the person that was drafting something has been a little swamped. Great, thanks. Anyway, I hope someone finds the suggested reorganization useful

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-17 Thread Eric Lowe
Rainer Orth wrote: Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What about file systems? Why have ZFS and UFS communities (and possibly NFS in the future) instead of one file system community with three file system projects under it? Speaking of which, it occured to me recently, when I posted a

[osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
We would like to propose a solaris-internals community. The initial leaders would be Jonathan Chew, Eric Lowe, Eric Saxe, and me. We hope to expand this list quickly, with engineers from inside of Sun and from the community. There are quite a few communities dedicated to specific parts of

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within the group. Some possible child discussions might be

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Nils Nieuwejaar
On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:12 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: The solaris-internals community would host one or more discussion groups. Initially there would just be a single group: solaris-internals. If the traffic warranted, we could create more specific discussions within

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 10:49]: We would like to propose a solaris-internals community. The initial leaders would be Jonathan Chew, Eric Lowe, Eric Saxe, and me. We hope to expand this list quickly, with engineers from inside of Sun and from the community. There

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Lowe
I believe this proposal needs to provide further contrasts against existing communities and projects to make aspects more clear. opensolaris-discuss is too broad an audience for internals discussions. opensolaris-code I thought was meant to cover code topics and questions, but has been

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 12:37]: On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Stephen Hahn
* Stephen Hahn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 14:19]: My concern here was more connected with the fact that these grandfathered aliases exist and overlap (to whatever degree). I think I would like to hear about how to eventually close some of the program-wide aliases, as consolidations

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a second alias (or project) not appropriate for hosting this content? (Why not [EMAIL PROTECTED]) The Nevada community seems to be

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Dan Price
On Thu 16 Mar 2006 at 02:19PM, Stephen Hahn wrote: * Nils Nieuwejaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-16 12:37]: On Thu 03/16/06 at 11:30 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2. What is the relationship between this community and the existing ON (Nevada) community? Why is that alias, or a

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Lowe
Things were setup that way before projects existed and everything had to be a community. The Nevada community (which is misnamed to begin with), should become a ONNV project of an ON community which could also host your internals information. ... and proposed discussion list(s). Agreed,

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Eric Lowe wrote: So let me propose: - Rename and refactor the 'onnv' community into 'os-net' or some such. Remove its logical binding to the nevada release train. There is already a separate community for networking, so if we go that route I think this community should

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Eric Lowe
Then you'ld have to define OS. The official definition of the Solaris Operating System is the entire WOS, from kernel through desktop and servers, all the consolidations, so presumably you're thinking of the subset of ON that's not networking. Maybe Core OS or something? Yes, core OS -

Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris-internals

2006-03-16 Thread Michelle Olson
6370879 was filed on this, but hasn't been implemented yet. -Michelle X-Original-To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Delivered-To: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2006 17:13:55 -0600 From: Eric Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Community proposal: solaris