Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-25 Thread Thommy M . Malmström
The SUNW prefix will be dropped from all packages for future OpenSolaris releases. To be replaced with ORCL or? Sorry, couldn't resist... ;) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-23 Thread ken mays
Just as an update on what happened: The OS 2009.06-b111b repository contains these packages: SUNWbinutils 2.15 SUNWgnu-mp 4.2.4 SUNWmpfr 2.3.2 GCC-dev 4.3.2 What I ended up doing is requesting those packages to be updated to the current released versions to support GCC 4.3.3 and GCC

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-23 Thread Jim Langston
I am using 4.3.3 and 4.4.0 compiled both 32bit and 64bit that I downloaded for http://gcc.gnu.org Same for GMP and MPFR, downloading from the respective open source locations. I have not built binutils Jim /// ken mays wrote: Just as an update on what happened: The OS

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-23 Thread George Vasick
gcc 4.3.2 is available in 2009.06: gcc-dev-4 gcc-432 gcc-runtime-432 Also, binutils 2.19 was integrated into Nevada a few builds ago. It will be in the next release of OpenSolaris. George ken mays wrote: Just as an update on what happened: The OS 2009.06-b111b repository contains these

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-19 Thread ken mays
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Moinak Ghosh moin...@belenix.org wrote: From: Moinak Ghosh moin...@belenix.org Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!? To: ken mays maybird1...@yahoo.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 11:18 AM   I have already

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Glenn Lagasse glenn.laga...@sun.com wrote: The bits from Indiana which may become Solaris.Next did not go through ARC either ;-) *yet*. They *will* go through the ARC process before they are shipped in Solaris.Next. Given the fact that there are _many_ changes to be discussed, this

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Joerg Schilling (joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de) wrote: Glenn Lagasse glenn.laga...@sun.com wrote: The bits from Indiana which may become Solaris.Next did not go through ARC either ;-) *yet*. They *will* go through the ARC process before they are shipped in Solaris.Next.

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread Lurie
And you're waiting for the ARC review to do that? I haven't looked too closely but I'm not generally aware of any security problems introduced by pfexec in OpenSolaris. By default OpenSolaris gives the default user adminstrator privileges, allowing any program run by that user to execute

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread George Vasick
Marc Glisse wrote: Upgrading GCCfss to 4.4.0 is included in our plans. Hello, I am definitely not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the new GCC runtime library exception adopted in gcc-4.4 was written specifically so that things like gccfss are forbidden unless you opensource the backend

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-16 Thread Che Kristo
I agree...i think the current approachis very windowsish (Pre-vista) and can only lead to problems. 2009/6/17 Moinak Ghosh moin...@belenix.org On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 11:41 PM, Luriey...@gmx.co.uk wrote: And you're waiting for the ARC review to do that? I haven't looked too closely but I'm

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mark Martin storycraf...@gmail.com wrote: I simply meant that Debian's philosophy is that absolutely nothing _not_ free (read: not opensourced) gets intot the distro. That's not This is unfortunately not true. They e.g. publish a fork from my software that has been changed to bne in conflict

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-15 Thread George Vasick
Marc Glisse wrote: Hopefully, this will spark the GCCfss resources to update to GCCfss 4.4.0 as well (see: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc). Upgrading GCCfss to 4.4.0 is included in our plans. George For gccfss and gcc-4.4, there may be legal reasons preventing the mix, so don't hold

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-15 Thread Marc Glisse
Upgrading GCCfss to 4.4.0 is included in our plans. Hello, I am definitely not a lawyer, but it seems to me that the new GCC runtime library exception adopted in gcc-4.4 was written specifically so that things like gccfss are forbidden unless you opensource the backend with an appropriate

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-14 Thread Marc Glisse
Hopefully, this will spark the GCCfss resources to update to GCCfss 4.4.0 as well (see: http://cooltools.sunsource.net/gcc). For gccfss and gcc-4.4, there may be legal reasons preventing the mix, so don't hold your breath. Btw, I still believe that in opensolaris we should not consider

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-14 Thread john kroll
This part really gets confusing to me. Is the opensolaris/debain endeavor {opensolaris.com} a more focused business alternative /grant money available. Does that mean opensolaris.org will always be a reorganization effort. If solaris opts into supported solaris11 does everything good go to a

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-14 Thread Ian Collins
john kroll wrote: This part really gets confusing to me. Which part? Context, please! -- Ian. ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-14 Thread john kroll
Sorry sir my comment was not specific to GCC 4.4 OpenSolaris and Debian being, as examples, tending towards opposite ends of that spectrum. At the end of the day, this is a lot of hot air over little. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-14 Thread Mark Martin
On Sun, Jun 14, 2009 at 4:38 PM, john krolljek0...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sorry sir my comment was not specific to GCC 4.4 OpenSolaris and Debian being, as examples, tending towards opposite ends of that spectrum. At the end of the day, this is a lot of hot air over little. I simply meant

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: As Ken says, 4.4.x is where all the gcc effort is going, especially with C++. Shouldn't OpenSolaris be moving with the times? What do you mean with moving with the times? Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread Joerg Schilling
Scott Rotondo scott.roto...@sun.com wrote: You can at least compile ON with gcc 4.x now, though that's a recent development. See CR 6795209. I have been told that you can compile the Linux kernel using Sun Studio since more than a year now but it does not work... Do you know whether the

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread Milan Jurik
Hi Ken, V čt, 11. 06. 2009 v 20:57, ken mays píše: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not migrate to GCC 4.4.x sooner than later?? We have more community developers building, testing,

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread ken mays
Regardless, as long as Sun Studio remains closed, it is important that the OpenSolaris community provide a viable, up-to-date, open source option as much as possible. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker Just so everyone knows, this has nothing to do with Sun Studio. This is just to see if we can move

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread Moinak Ghosh
On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 8:15 PM, ken maysmaybird1...@yahoo.com wrote: Regardless, as long as Sun Studio remains closed, it is important that the OpenSolaris community provide a viable, up-to-date, open source option as much as possible. Cheers, -- Shawn Walker Just so everyone knows, this

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread John Martin
ken mays wrote: Note: The idea started when I wanted Phoronix to do their testing benchmark article using GCC 4.4.0 with OpenSolaris 2009.06 versus Fedora 11. Does your spec file set the default to -m64? A couple of the tests ran slow against Fedora not due to gcc 3.x versus 4.x but instead

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread ken mays
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, Milan Jurik milan.ju...@sun.com wrote: From: Milan Jurik milan.ju...@sun.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!? To: ken mays maybird1...@yahoo.com Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 10:36 AM Hi Ken, V čt, 11

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread Alan Coopersmith
ken mays wrote: I submitted an RFE (#9444) for GCC 4.4.x at: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=9444 and will review the submittal of an ARC case. You really want to talk to Stefan Teleman and the folks in tools-compilers about this - if it was easy to do, it would have been

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread George Vasick
Alan Coopersmith wrote: ken mays wrote: I submitted an RFE (#9444) for GCC 4.4.x at: http://defect.opensolaris.org/bz/show_bug.cgi?id=9444 and will review the submittal of an ARC case. You really want to talk to Stefan Teleman and the folks in tools-compilers about this - if it was easy to

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-12 Thread ken mays
--- On Fri, 6/12/09, George Vasick george.vas...@sun.com wrote: From: George Vasick george.vas...@sun.com Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!? To: Alan Coopersmith alan.coopersm...@sun.com Cc: ken mays maybird1...@yahoo.com, opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Date

[osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread ken mays
Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not migrate to GCC 4.4.x sooner than later?? We have more community developers building, testing, and reporting on GCC 4.4.x than before. What is the

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not migrate to GCC 4.4.x sooner than later?? We have more community developers building, testing, and

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Ian Collins
Glenn Lagasse wrote: * ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not migrate to GCC 4.4.x sooner than later?? We have more community developers building,

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Ian Collins (i...@ianshome.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not migrate to GCC 4.4.x sooner than

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Jim Langston
Glenn Lagasse wrote: * Ian Collins (i...@ianshome.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC 4.4.x compilers, I started wondering why not

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Shawn Walker
Jim Langston wrote: This is where my confusion rests - SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3, it is through the development package that 4.3.3 gets loaded, are they both supported ? I'm confused because SUNWgcc seems distinctly directed as core part of OS, whereas, development/gcc seems to have a you're on

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Jim Langston (jim.langs...@sun.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * Ian Collins (i...@ianshome.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more involved in using the GCC compiler and especially the GCC

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Shawn Walker (swal...@opensolaris.org) wrote: Jim Langston wrote: This is where my confusion rests - SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3, it is through the development package that 4.3.3 gets loaded, are they both supported ? I'm confused because SUNWgcc seems distinctly directed as core part of OS,

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Mark Martin
Glenn Lagasse wrote: * Jim Langston (jim.langs...@sun.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * Ian Collins (i...@ianshome.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: * ken mays (maybird1...@yahoo.com) wrote: Hello, Since developers are getting more

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Shawn Walker
Glenn Lagasse wrote: * Shawn Walker (swal...@opensolaris.org) wrote: Jim Langston wrote: This is where my confusion rests - SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3, it is through the development package that 4.3.3 gets loaded, are they both supported ? I'm confused because SUNWgcc seems distinctly directed as

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Mark Martin (storycraf...@gmail.com) wrote: I can't speak definitively about this, but my best guess is that SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3 because the ON consolidation hasn't qualified later builds of GCC for building ON. And so, the supported method for compiling code using GCC in ON is to use

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Scott Rotondo
Glenn Lagasse wrote: I can't speak definitively about this, but my best guess is that SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3 because the ON consolidation hasn't qualified later builds of GCC for building ON. And so, the supported method for compiling code using GCC in ON is to use 3.4.3 until such time as

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Scott Rotondo (scott.roto...@sun.com) wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: I can't speak definitively about this, but my best guess is that SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3 because the ON consolidation hasn't qualified later builds of GCC for building ON. And so, the supported method for compiling code

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Andras Barna
#define developers please i think ppl are using gcc on *solaris because: a) they dont know that suncc exist b) they havent got enough skill to fix gccism b2) there are too many gccism and they are lazy On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 9:57 PM, ken maysmaybird1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Since

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Andras Barna
sorry, forgot the c) hardcore opensource/gnu fanboyz On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:43 AM, Andras Barnaandras.ba...@gmail.com wrote: #define developers please i think ppl are using gcc on *solaris because: a) they dont know that suncc exist b) they havent got enough skill to fix gccism b2)

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Stephen Lau
You do a disservice by dismissing anyone who may know about Sun Studio as either lacking skill or being lazy. There are plenty of developers who have written software on other platforms (OS X, Linux, etc.) who have written perfectly good software with gcc-isms, and have users (like us)

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Andras Barna
the discussion is not about having or not having gcc *in* solaris. gcc3 as well as gcc4 is available in opensolaris 2009.06 On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Stephen Lauste...@opensolaris.org wrote: You do a disservice by dismissing anyone who may know about Sun Studio as either lacking skill

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Shawn Walker
Stephen Lau wrote: You do a disservice by dismissing anyone who may know about Sun Studio as either lacking skill or being lazy. There are plenty of developers who have written software on other platforms (OS X, Linux, etc.) who have written perfectly good software with gcc-isms, and have

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Casper . Dik
Glenn Lagasse wrote: I can't speak definitively about this, but my best guess is that SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3 because the ON consolidation hasn't qualified later builds of GCC for building ON. And so, the supported method for compiling code using GCC in ON is to use 3.4.3 until such time as

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Mark Martin
Shawn Walker wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: You do a disservice by dismissing anyone who may know about Sun Studio as either lacking skill or being lazy. There are plenty of developers who have written software on other platforms (OS X, Linux, etc.) who have written perfectly good software with

Re: [osol-discuss] GCC 4.4: Can we handle it?!?

2009-06-11 Thread Dennis Clarke
casper@sun.com wrote: Glenn Lagasse wrote: I can't speak definitively about this, but my best guess is that SUNWgcc is still 3.4.3 because the ON consolidation hasn't qualified later builds of GCC for building ON. And so, the supported method for compiling code using GCC in ON is to