Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Millan
Hi, Sorry if this comes a bit late, but I found this thread by searching around and would like to point out a pair of details. On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 09:27 -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: [...], I'm not sure if its work having a ksolaris port since configure will no longer identify the

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-22 Thread Per Lundberg
The amd64 issue you raise is an interesting one. Something we should care quite a bit about, actually. We already have computers with 4 GB of RAM being a common thing. With 8 GB and more, 32-bit will be more and more of a problem - and amd64 is the only really serious way forward. I don't know

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-22 Thread Casper . Dik
The amd64 issue you raise is an interesting one. Something we should care quite a bit about, actually. We already have computers with 4 GB of RAM being a common thing. With 8 GB and more, 32-bit will be more and more of a problem - and amd64 is the only really serious way forward. I don't

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-20 Thread paul
Per Lundberg schrieb: It is not Solaris, but it is GNU/kOpenSolaris. :-) If I might state my opinion, I believe diversity is a strength and choice is a good thing. If some people want to go for Solaris libc, let them do so; likewise for those who prefer an even more GNU-styled userland (with

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-20 Thread Joerg Schilling
Michael Casadevall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This poses an interesting question then. With this, we could, in theory dump the ON userland, and go pure GNU, more inline with the other Debian/Ubuntu ports. That being said, I still feel diversity is a strength, and is it still Solaris if we dump

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, such port makes sense and solves some of the issues (mostly GNU libc portability) but unfortunately creates new issues, which I'm sure, could be worked out and soon we should have more or less working first ISO available with support for this new

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Erast Benson
Right. And in addition to autotools, such port complicates further ON merges which will unavoidably lead to higher rate of errors/bugs. But because GNU/kFreeBSD exists, I do not see why GNU/kOpenSolaris can't be... On Fri, 2008-09-19 at 09:27 -0400, Michael Casadevall wrote: -BEGIN PGP

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Erast Benson
To me, this development is just yet another Debian architecture and sure, some in Debian community will like. It also connects to Nexenta in many ways - which is good for us. We can't stop such port from happening - so I think we should embrace it as a secondary lefty architecture. On Fri,

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Debian's main issue is that parts of Sun's libc are not open (mostly libc_i18n; they require all bits to be open). Having seen the issues kFreeBSD has had with using glibc with their kernel, I'm not sure if its work having a ksolaris port since

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Michael Casadevall
The kFreeBSD port has had a lot of considerable issues with porting software. Remember, we'd need to port the ON tools such as the ZFS admin tools to glibc. http://wiki.debian.org/ArchiveQualification/kfreebsd-i386 They also haven't been able to get things like the wifi tools for FreeBSD

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread David Bartley
On Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 11:37 AM, Michael Casadevall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The kFreeBSD port has had a lot of considerable issues with porting software. Remember, we'd need to port the ON tools such as the ZFS admin tools to glibc. I already have zfs and zpool binaries linked and working

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Michael Casadevall
This poses an interesting question then. With this, we could, in theory dump the ON userland, and go pure GNU, more inline with the other Debian/Ubuntu ports. That being said, I still feel diversity is a strength, and is it still Solaris if we dump the userland (and with it, binary and script

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Per Lundberg
It is not Solaris, but it is GNU/kOpenSolaris. :-) If I might state my opinion, I believe diversity is a strength and choice is a good thing. If some people want to go for Solaris libc, let them do so; likewise for those who prefer an even more GNU-styled userland (with GNU libc being the

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Michael Casadevall
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I don't have a problem with two separate ports. Like for people who want Solaris based system for stability and ZFS, and a solaris based one. A nice and practical upshot of this is the possibility of a kopensolaris-amd64 port which has been a bit of

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-19 Thread Alex Ross
Back in '05 (years fly) we actually started from trying to port glibc and a bunch of core libraries outside glibc. We then relatively quickly, having spent about 3 weeks on it, realized the size and complexity of the exercise. At this time, as well as at any other time since then, we were

Re: [osol-discuss] GNU libc on OpenSolaris

2008-09-18 Thread Erast Benson
Hi David, Great work! Yes, such port makes sense and solves some of the issues (mostly GNU libc portability) but unfortunately creates new issues, which I'm sure, could be worked out and soon we should have more or less working first ISO available with support for this new exciting architecture!