Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-04 Thread Alan Burlison
Eric Boutilier wrote: Given how negative this community is on Linux... But when one looks literally *anywhere* else on opensolaris.org besides this list one finds the complete opposite, namely, flexibility, diversity, non-zealotry, and non-fear. And with that in mind, it's really, really

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-04 Thread Ian Murdock
On 6/4/07, Alan Burlison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Boutilier wrote: Given how negative this community is on Linux... But when one looks literally *anywhere* else on opensolaris.org besides this list one finds the complete opposite, namely, flexibility, diversity, non-zealotry, and

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-04 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
Good point. I don't understand  why there are so many people against something new that can be potentially good for the community, if they think is not needed, they shouldn't contribute, and that's all. I would like to see more constructive approaches to this issue. We have anything to

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-03 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Ian Murdock wrote: ... Given how negative this community is on Linux... But when one looks literally *anywhere* else on opensolaris.org besides this list one finds the complete opposite, namely, flexibility, diversity, non-zealotry, and non-fear. And with that in mind,

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-03 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007, Ian Murdock wrote: ... ... *Building a reference isn't the main goal*. What is the main goal? Making OpenSolaris more accessible to people like this: ... Understood, and that's precisely why I keep saying Indiana needs a reset based on case 2007/047. Indiana's goals (e.g.

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-03 Thread Ian Murdock
On 6/3/07, Eric Boutilier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But when one looks literally *anywhere* else on opensolaris.org besides this list one finds the complete opposite, namely, flexibility, diversity, non-zealotry, and non-fear. And with that in mind, it's really, really key to note that, when it

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-03 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote: On 5/31/07, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Before we go too far down the track of creating a so called reference binary distribution of OpenSolaris I think we need to first clearly for the whole community document exactly what problem we are

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. Just my thoughts. I concur. Not what I want. Are we building an open community, or are we

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. Just my thoughts. I concur. Not what I want. Are we building an open community, or are we

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. Just my thoughts. I concur. Are we building an open community, or are we building products for Sun Microsystems? what Ian-diana is supposed to be already

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
I'm interested in doing what needs to be done to move forwards and without losing those users that run Solaris 8 and 9 and 10. That is a bit of a challenge to say the least. Which may or may not be possible since Solaris 8/9/10 are under a different mandate than OpenSolaris.

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/31/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-06-01 Thread John Sonnenschein
On 5/31/07, Giles Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I am leaning towards BeleniX with all the Blastwave software bolted in because ALL of that happened with community people. Just my thoughts. I concur. Not what I want.

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread Rich Friedeman
From: Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2. With all the negative opinions about Linux around here, I'm surprised to have to say this, but: Multiple distributions without a reference for compatibility is *not* a feature of Linux we want to emulate! I know, I've spent the better part of the last 5

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread John Mark Walker
There's not much I can add here, except to say that repeating the mistakes of your competitor is most likely a Bad Idea. You have an opportunity here to provide another compelling reason for all Linux users to switch - don't blow it! -John Mark http://www.hyperic.com/ Rich Friedeman wrote:

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread MC
What is so special about the reference distribution that it can't be one of the existing distros ? 1) The existing distros are pretty much Solaris 11 prototypes, and Solaris 11 is wholly a Sun product. Even though the first captain of the ship Project Indiana will be a Sun employee, the

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread Rich Friedeman
From: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] It effectively shuts down the possibility of alternate distributions that focus on different needs and different areas. I think you're correct in capturing the power of a reference distro, but not necessarily the effect of it. Nexenta and Belenix (as

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread W. Wayne Liauh
My personal opinion is that I don't want to see a reference distro, at this time I just don't see any value in it. What I do see today is great competition and collaboration based on the distros we have. I think there is scope for more distros (and if I had the time I would be

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread Stefan Parvu
Ian, 1. We need a better answer to the question, What is OpenSolaris? Ideally, it's something tangible, i.e., something people can download and install. Not exactly, people can see and learn what OpenSolaris is. We already have distros based on OpenSolaris. I dont see useful to have such

[osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread John Sonnenschein
with rising tide sometimes comes storm. Is it going to benefit others, or is it smoke and mirrors to wrestle control away from the community? Will it attract new users to OpenSolaris, or will it just scuttle BeleniX by taking users away from them back in to the fold of Sun-owned

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Do we even need a reference OpenSolaris binary distro

2007-05-31 Thread Giles Turner
On 6/1/07, John Sonnenschein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: with rising tide sometimes comes storm. Is it going to benefit others, or is it smoke and mirrors to wrestle control away from the community? Right...enough with the conspiracy theories. Will it attract new users to OpenSolaris, or