Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Peter Tribble
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 05:21, J. Estes wrote: You're not forced to use them for your own software; put your libraries in /usr/local/lib or /opt/xxx and link with that. - Bart I normaly do exactly that. But that still leaves the user with 481 MB of bloat in /usr/sfw , most of which

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Peter Tribble wrote: That's not at all reasonable. I certainly don't want applications or libraries that I may need to install my own versions of in the standard system locations. Doing so only makes the possibility of conflict more likely. Shoving things like openssl away in /usr/sfw is nice

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Peter Tribble
On Tue, 2006-03-21 at 14:10, Darren J Moffat wrote: Peter Tribble wrote: That's not at all reasonable. I certainly don't want applications or libraries that I may need to install my own versions of in the standard system locations. Doing so only makes the possibility of conflict more

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread James Carlson
J. Estes writes: I normaly do exactly that. But that still leaves the user with 481 MB of bloat in /usr/sfw , most of which is not required by the core O/S. This does not include the enormous bloat of Gnome, either. If OpenSSL is a requirement, the suggestion was made to move it to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Peter Tribble wrote: Well, it's not *just* OpenSSL, but that was the main topic in the thread. Actually, my experience is that openssl is incredibly fragile. If I build 0.9.7 myself and use my version then I have very few problems, but building against the /usr/sfw version gave me a lot of

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/21/06, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter Tribble wrote: Well, it's not *just* OpenSSL, but that was the main topic in the snippage Which is why it is External and why it is currently in /usr/sfw. Sorry for wading in at this late point but I have been reading and reading

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dennis Clarke wrote: (1) Is there a UNIX standard ? ( this is just yes or no ) no, because there are no UNIX standards. There are X/Open standards and IETF standards and SVR4 ABI requirements etc etc etc. (2) What is the UNIX standard? (3) Do we respect that standard ? ( Is

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Dennis Clarke wrote: Was there a document at some point in history ( this is UNIX and it has tons of history ) called the FSSTD or was it FHS ? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html ( this may be a Linux animal however ) That's the Linux Standards Base filesystem layout, and

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread James Carlson
Alan Coopersmith writes: Solaris filesystem locations have also traditionally conformed to the SVID standard (originally from ATT to define what SVR4 was), but I don't know if we've kept up to date on that. man -s 5 standards gives some background information on this. -- James Carlson, KISS

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Joerg Schilling
James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Coopersmith writes: Solaris filesystem locations have also traditionally conformed to the SVID standard (originally from ATT to define what SVR4 was), but I don't know if we've kept up to date on that. man -s 5 standards gives some background

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/21/06, Alan Coopersmith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: Was there a document at some point in history ( this is UNIX and it has tons of history ) called the FSSTD or was it FHS ? http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html ( this may be a Linux animal however

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 3/21/06, Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: (1) Is there a UNIX standard ? ( this is just yes or no ) no, because there are no UNIX standards. There are X/Open standards and IETF standards and SVR4 ABI requirements etc etc etc. Sort of a question

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread James Carlson
Joerg Schilling writes: James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Coopersmith writes: Solaris filesystem locations have also traditionally conformed to the SVID standard (originally from ATT to define what SVR4 was), but I don't know if we've kept up to date on that. man -s 5

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Darren J Moffat
Dennis Clarke wrote: Once something is in the wos then thats is it. It is part of the operating system. The concept of core operating system is a matter for discussion but the wos is the whole thing right ? Yeah I guess core is a problematic term here. What about part of the operating

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread James Carlson
Darren J Moffat writes: Dennis Clarke wrote: Once something is in the wos then thats is it. It is part of the operating system. The concept of core operating system is a matter for discussion but the wos is the whole thing right ? Yeah I guess core is a problematic term here. What

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-21 Thread Eric Boutilier
Joel Estes wrote: Bart Smaalders wrote: You're not forced to use them for your own software; put your libraries in /usr/local/lib or /opt/xxx and link with that. - Bart I normaly do exactly that. But that still leaves the user with 481 MB of bloat in /usr/sfw , most of which is not

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-20 Thread J. Estes
You're not forced to use them for your own software; put your libraries in /usr/local/lib or /opt/xxx and link with that. - Bart I normaly do exactly that. But that still leaves the user with 481 MB of bloat in /usr/sfw , most of which is not required by the core O/S. This does not

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Re: Proposal to remove /usr/sfw and its dependencies from the bas

2006-03-20 Thread Ian Collins
J. Estes wrote: You're not forced to use them for your own software; put your libraries in /usr/local/lib or /opt/xxx and link with that. - Bart I normaly do exactly that. But that still leaves the user with 481 MB of bloat in /usr/sfw , most of which is not required by the core O/S.