[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-19 Thread UNIX admin
> Wrong. You can perform liveupgrade using an ISO > image. You do not need > CDs, DVDs, or any other media. > > lofiadm -a /path/to/my.iso > mount -f hsfs /dev/lofi/1 /mnt > > Then follow the normal liveupgrade process... > > I've done it myself a couple of times. That'll certainly work, and it

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-19 Thread UNIX admin
> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but a flash archive is > simply the clone of > a system that you can then easily get up and running. > The whole > JumpStart framework is pretty cool, and in my opinion > a great feature > but it's completely missing the whole package > management boat in my > op

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 18/04/07, xiaoming zhu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 4/18/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Solaris 10 already supports that feature if you use Sun Update > Manager, if you're talking about updating. I have a question please: Does Solaris 10 support to boot directly from ZFS no

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread Calum Benson
On Wed, 2007-04-18 at 08:13 -0500, Shawn Walker wrote: > If you're talking about *ugprading* between releases, it is not > flawless for Ubuntu. I should know, that's the only Linux distribution > I run. Indeed-- I find myself doing a complete Ubuntu reinstall every few months, because continually

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread UNIX admin
> This problem is not related to the update manager > from what I know. > Instead, this seems to be a problem with Sun's patch > database (which > continues to have issues). That might be so, but the net end result is still the same: it does not work correctly and especially not to my satisfactio

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* xiaoming zhu ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 4/18/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > >Solaris 10 already supports that feature if you use Sun Update > >Manager, if you're talking about updating. > > > I have a question please: > > Does Solaris 10 support to boot directly fro

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread xiaoming zhu
On 4/18/07, Shawn Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Solaris 10 already supports that feature if you use Sun Update Manager, if you're talking about updating. I have a question please: Does Solaris 10 support to boot directly from ZFS now? How can I update to this feature with Solaris 10? I

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread Shawn Walker
On 18/04/07, MC <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: As soon as Ubuntu supported "click this button to upgrade your entire OS flawlessly from the internet", that feature became a standard for everyone to meet. I take it as a given that Solaris/OpenSolaris will eventually support such a feature. I hope

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-18 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > In practice, the convenience approach can only work > so much, until the > > whole model collapses. It might work very well for > a single desktop > > system, but after a certain people to systems > ratio, the whole model > > can't support the needs of the user or users any > more. > > > > U

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread MC
As soon as Ubuntu supported "click this button to upgrade your entire OS flawlessly from the internet", that feature became a standard for everyone to meet. I take it as a given that Solaris/OpenSolaris will eventually support such a feature. I hope I am not wrong! This message posted fr

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
> >They sure are. > > > >On my Ultra 5, Solaris 8 box, I could get the > >documentation online locally...will there be an > option > >of tarballs of the documentation in html format? > > > > > Yes, we already have that on OpenSolaris.org, > http://opensolaris.org/os/downloads/docs > > Download

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Shawn Walker
On 17/04/07, Christopher Mahan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Also, a html-browsable (like http://docs.python.org/) would be fantastic. This lets google index them all for easy searching. (I don't search on local pc (ever)) Google indexes PDFs now, and I have gotten hit results from google search

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle
Jerry Sutton wrote On 04/17/07 06:00 PM,: >SXDE docs are there but the suggestion is that they are vintage 2/07 per > one of the headings. Maybe they are up to date with the latest >OpenSolaris drop, I don't know. > > Right, docs.sun.com 2/07 is correct, doc sources on OpenSolaris.org should

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Christopher Mahan
>From: Michelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Will do! We're hotly working on a script to go through all the sources >and create PDFs, so we can just serve them up in one tarball on >OpenSolaris. Thanks for your time to reply, much appreciated. Please make them just downloadable as individual pdfs, r

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Jerry Sutton
SXDE docs are there but the suggestion is that they are vintage 2/07 per one of the headings. Maybe they are up to date with the latest OpenSolaris drop, I don't know. One thing I find rather annoying about Sun documentation retrieval - maybe it's just my ignorance - is that the documents ha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle
TECTED]> >Cc: Michelle Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org >Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:35:29 PM >Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging > >Christopher Mahan wrote: > > >>Recommendation: Do whateve

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Christopher Mahan
- Original Message From: Michelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Yes, of course, you can get PDF of each document on docs.sun.com, you >just have to navigate to each book to get to the downloadable PDF option >and it's painful slow (they say a HW upgrade is coming). But, I don't >speak for Christo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle
Chung Hang Christopher Chan wrote On 04/17/07 05:41 PM,: >--- Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >>Christopher Mahan wrote: >> >> >>>Recommendation: Do whatever you have to do to get >>> >>> >>the documentation in PDF as a download option. >>Thanks. >> >>Isn't it all av

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Christopher Mahan
ensolaris.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 5:35:29 PM Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging Christopher Mahan wrote: > Recommendation: Do whatever you have to do to get the documentation in PDF as > a download option. Thanks. Isn't it all available

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle
Hiya Alan, Yes, of course, you can get PDF of each document on docs.sun.com, you just have to navigate to each book to get to the downloadable PDF option and it's painful slow (they say a HW upgrade is coming). But, I don't speak for Christopher, just my own experience, so maybe I wrongly assumed

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Chung Hang Christopher Chan
--- Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Christopher Mahan wrote: > > Recommendation: Do whatever you have to do to get > the documentation in PDF as a download option. > Thanks. > > Isn't it all available in PDF on http://docs.sun.com > already? They sure are. On my Ultra 5, Solaris

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle
Will do! We're hotly working on a script to go through all the sources and create PDFs, so we can just serve them up in one tarball on OpenSolaris. Thanks for your time to reply, much appreciated. -Michelle Christopher Mahan wrote On 04/17/07 05:23 PM,: >From: Michelle Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Christopher Mahan wrote: Recommendation: Do whatever you have to do to get the documentation in PDF as a download option. Thanks. Isn't it all available in PDF on http://docs.sun.com already? -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window S

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Christopher Mahan
From: Michelle Olson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >We welcome all of your comments and feedback on documentation on the >docs-discuss list for OpenSolaris, that is where documentation is at the >>forefront of discussion and minds. I post to that list the SX manuals that >change each month, or you can

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-17 Thread Michelle Olson
> a b wrote: > >> 1. Documentation is a major pain in the ass to > find. Outside of man > >> pages and the occasional Sun engineer blog entry, > there seems to be > >> no decent documentation. In fact, most people > admit that the "Solaris > >> 10" books that are currently out, are simply > Sola

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-10 Thread a b
>Was that intended as a joke? I'm sure it was. >Static linking introduces horrors that are far harder to solve than >any of the issues I mentioned with dynamic linking. You can't patch, >for one thing. For one, you could not have pluggable modules. But yes, having no shared libraries means yo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-10 Thread a b
Was that intended as a joke? No, I'll explain why... Static linking introduces horrors that are far harder to solve than any of the issues I mentioned with dynamic linking. You can't patch, for one thing. So it doesn't work in all scenarios. It's not perfect, just like anything else. B

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-09 Thread Casper . Dik
>Was that intended as a joke? I'm sure it was. >Static linking introduces horrors that are far harder to solve than >any of the issues I mentioned with dynamic linking. You can't patch, >for one thing. For one, you could not have pluggable modules. But yes, having no shared libraries means yo

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-09 Thread James Carlson
UNIX admin writes: > > They shouldn't be "allowed" to explode, but if > > someone has a good way > > to prevent it (and a cure that isn't just worse than > > the disease), > > it'd be good to see some work done on it. > > > > -- > > James Carlson, Solaris Networking > > Isn't it great that today

[osol-discuss] Re: Re: was something else, now Packaging

2007-04-09 Thread UNIX admin
> Consider an application that is linked with a > versioned library. > We'll call it "libresolv.so.1" to make a concrete > example. That > application also pulls in (say) "libldap.so.1". This > library, though, > has been relinked with the new "libresolv.so.2". > > The result is that the applica