Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why LSB filesystem layout is bad,part 1 ...
Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 16:32 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more than disliking it. If e.g. 'rsh' is linked to 'ssh', people do not get what they expect. this is depends on alternative's weight... if rexec tools are not installed, ssh may still provide rsh functionality. It is not. it may be configured differently, but ssh definitely provides you a basic rsh functionality. I am not sure whether you understand the effects of these alternatives. From a users view this looks like defect programs. And people will have problems to find out the reason because they believe that everything is there... well, those people better be educated first... This is not UNIX behavior, so why educate? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Mika Borner wrote: Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/31/06 2:31 pm To make Solaris more attractive compared to Linux (et al.) we should dump the whole X-Window System. Let hope I am not taking you out of context on this quote, go talk to any Linux desktop guys and asked them to dump the X Window System, you will get some funny looks :). The whole of Linux desktop such as GNOME or KDE are built on top of X. X is the basis of all the GUI system for all variant of Linux that I know about :). So Solaris is not the odd one out as you may have pointed. -Ghee ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
gheet [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/03/06 4:04 pm Let hope I am not taking you out of context on this quote, go talk to any Linux desktop guys and asked them to dump the X Window System, you will get some funny looks :). The whole of Linux desktop such as GNOME or KDE are built on top of X. X is the basis of all the GUI system for all variant of Linux that I know about :). So Solaris is not the odd one out as you may have pointed. Maybe I was a little bit harsh with my comments about X. But my opinion is still, that X is in need of a major overhaul (someday...). I'm not using X that much anymore in the sense of opening remote applications. And if I do, then over an ssh tunnel, which is, accessed over e.g. an VPN Tunnel is really slow. There are better ways to open GUI applications remotly (SunRay Protocol? Tarantella? Web-Interface?). Also, I find Apple's Quartz is technically much more elegant, and you can run X on it, for legacy apps. Of course, writing a replacement for X would require a huge effort. I hope I haven't offended anyone. I still use X alot, but I also use Quartz, and this allows me to compare. PS: Sorry for the disclaimer, but I am not able to remove it... - This message is intended for the addressee only and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended receiver, any disclosure, copying to any person or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on this e-mail, is prohibited and may be un- lawful. You must therefore delete this e-mail. Internet communications may not be secure or error-free and may contain viruses. They may be subject to possible data corruption, accidental or on purpose. This e-mail is not and should not be construed as an offer or the solicitation of an offer to purchase or subscribe or sell or redeem any investments. - ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: uncluttering df output
One additional capability that would help minimize further configuration changes would be if one could request that entries with a capacity of 0 be suppressed by default - that takes care of most of the uninteresting stuff other than lofs entries all at once, probably new ones as well as existing ones. Hm. df -z. I like it! I don't like the idea of /etc/default/df at all. That sort of central configuration seems fine for services, but it doesn't seem right to use it for command output formats. You could easily confuse someone logging into a system that way. -- -Peter Tribble L.I.S., University of Hertfordshire - http://www.herts.ac.uk/ http://www.petertribble.co.uk/ - http://ptribble.blogspot.com/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: Re: uncluttering df output
How are you going to confuse them by having a configurable defaults file supress certain output (unless command line options effectively override it), yet not confuse them by sprinkling ignore onto mnttab entries? I'm not talking about changing the format, so much as the selection of entries. If you wanted an environment variable or personal defaults file in addition, that could override, so that you'd know that what was displayed was under your control rather than whoever set up the box, I'm not opposed to that. Of course, that's an illusion - they could just replace the entire df command with their own version, and you might not notice. Maybe defaults files suck for some commands, but I don't see that they suck for all, and particularly not for this one. This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Slowaris vs. Solaris
Mika Borner wrote: I'm not using X that much anymore in the sense of opening remote applications. But if you're displaying anything locally you're still using X. Remote display is free - don't use it if you don't want to, but it doesn't hurt to have the option. -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Why LSB filesystem layout is bad,part 1 ...
On Mon, 2006-04-03 at 10:47 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 2006-04-02 at 16:32 +0200, Joerg Schilling wrote: Erast Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is more than disliking it. If e.g. 'rsh' is linked to 'ssh', people do not get what they expect. this is depends on alternative's weight... if rexec tools are not installed, ssh may still provide rsh functionality. It is not. it may be configured differently, but ssh definitely provides you a basic rsh functionality. I am not sure whether you understand the effects of these alternatives. Sure it might create an ambiguity effect, but there are mechanisms which helps you to avoid that. (alternative's weight in this case) In your example, most likely, rsh been created because it didn't exist at the time when ssh were installing. rsh has a higher weight, therefore, once you install rsh package, it will overwrite rsh alternative to the one with higher priority, i.e. real rsh. There are other management mechanisms, like alternative's slaves, which also quite handy and help you to avoid ambiguity but now for slave things like dependent directories with similar names, etc. The end result of alternatives is better user and developer experience and this is what makes Debian-based systems most suitable for developers. I still do not understand your concerns, and positive that alternatives is a good thing, but it takes time till people actually will start to appreciate it. -- Erast ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: RE: PlatinGUI for SAP on Solaris x86
hehe... this reminds me of HP Openview ICM Tool which is 100% Java but requires Windows, Tivoli Client and Desktop which both are 100% Java but don't run unless your OS is supported... stefan This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Community Newsletter ---- March 2006
Here is an update on OpenSolaris for the month of March, and thanks to the following contributors: Bonnie Corwin, Nenad Cimerman, Detlef Drewanz, Patrick Finch, Jim Grisanzio, Katarina Machalkova, Sridhar Muppalla, Laura Ramsey, Michelle Olson, Sue Weber. http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/content/newsletter/mar06/ -Linda ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
RE: [osol-discuss] Re: RE: PlatinGUI for SAP on Solaris x86
hehe... this reminds me of HP Openview ICM Tool which is 100% Java but requires Windows, Tivoli Client and Desktop which both are 100% Java but don't run unless your OS is supported... Yes... It's a BadThing(TM)... But there are also good news: snnadm file `which disp+work` /usr/sap/SNN/SYS/exe/run/disp+work: ELF 64-bit LSB executable AMD64 Version 1 [SSE2 SSE FXSR CMOV FPU], dynamically linked, not stripped I'm just trying my first SAP installation on Solaris/x86_64 - preliminary software - but so far it's working (the 'disp+work' is the SAP-kernel). So they are porting - but the gui comes last (if ever). Greetz, SIEGENIA-AUBI KG Informationswesen i.A. Markus Döhr SAP-CC/BC, SAPDB-DBA Tel.:+49 6503 917-152 Fax: +49 6503 917-7152 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: http://www.siegenia-aubi.com ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: RE: PlatinGUI for SAP on Solaris x86
hey, thanks for the quick reply. was surprised to run into that error because i thought it was 100% java and it's supposed to be portable and OS independent. I am going to shift to using SAP ITS (web). just talked to our Sys Admin/BASIS guy here and he will set it up. thanks again, edmund This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
