Re: [opensource-dev] Viewer blacklist to replace the TPV directory ?

2010-04-30 Thread Jonathan Irvin
not match or something, it won't allow them to connect or it would be reported, etc. Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to

[opensource-dev] OpenLSL Invitation

2010-04-21 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Second Life Q&A site, but hitting up the LSL folks for now. Jonathan Irvin P.S. I'm not meaning to spam. Being a long-time user of SL and a LSL dev. I've felt this format of website is needed for all us geeks. ___ Policies and (un)sub

Re: [opensource-dev] Quiet amendments of TPV (again)

2010-04-20 Thread Jonathan Irvin
"4. You assume all risks, expenses, and defects of any Third-Party Viewers that you use. Linden Lab shall not be responsible or liable for any Third-Party Viewers." That sure sounds like what you all have been wanting. The risk is on the user, not so much the developer. Jonathan Irvi

[opensource-dev] Requesting Linden Response: Please move TPVP Topics to a different mailing list

2010-04-14 Thread Jonathan Irvin
rum, I bet those who are truly interested in the opensource development of the Second Life viewer would be more in tuned to staying here rather than wake up to read yet another unproductive "I hate LL and the TPVP lets get together and share our misery post". Respectfully & Best Regar

Re: [opensource-dev] impending lawsuit?

2010-04-14 Thread Jonathan Irvin
is won't leave Second Life. It's not like your virtual presence can be given a subpoena . Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated posting privileges

[opensource-dev] OpenLSL Q&A Invite

2010-04-10 Thread Jonathan Irvin
The URL is http://openlsl.stackexchange.com/ and I would love to have the community help me on this project, if they are willing. Anyway, I won't take up too much more of your time. Thank you for joining and contributing! Best Regards, Jonathan Irvin P.S. I'm opening this to ALL LSL Scripters as wel

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV - Nope

2010-04-03 Thread Jonathan Irvin
in large part, SL is a hobby for me. Then again, there is a business aspect to what I do, but mainly the business aspect is to offset the Lindens my wife buys from USD and burns up on shopping in SL lol. Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un)subscri

Re: [opensource-dev] TPV - Nope

2010-04-03 Thread Jonathan Irvin
While I didn't know you personally, it takes a lot for someone to have your opinions, come to your conclusions, and then cancel your accounts. Sad to see another oldbie go. Jonathan Irvin On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 08:51, Nicholaz Beresford wrote: > > Hi All! > > Since the TPV and

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-03 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Thanks for the help all, I will look into this later >.> Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before posting to keep unmoderated p

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0 sync with Viewer 2.0

2010-04-03 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Do we have an effective way of compiling the SnowGlobe viewer in Linux with *.sh script? in debian? Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un)subscribe information available here: http://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/OpenSource-Dev Please read the policies before

Re: [opensource-dev] Can you legally agree to incomprehensible conditions

2010-04-02 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Makes sense if you ask me... why submit patches for SnowGlobe when you already know other Third-Party viewers work with OpenSim...plus I image these guys have enough on their plate as it is getting OpenSim out of alpha. Jonathan Irvin On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 09:21, Gareth Nelson wrote

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-04-02 Thread Jonathan Irvin
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 09:00, David M Chess wrote: > > Jonathan Irvin : > > > Keep in mind, it's not LL that's saying it, it is their lawyers. Like I > said, LL is protecting their assets. The best way for them to do that is by > hiring good lawyers who can c

Re: [opensource-dev] Can we, open source devs, still support Snowglobe? was: Can we be more productive, please?

2010-04-02 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Linden or not, your feedback is appreciated. Jonathan Irvin On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 08:52, JB Hancroft wrote: > Sorry to disappoint you, Aleric... I am not a Linden... just me :) > > I run a software and consulting business in the virtual world/virtual space > market, that

Re: [opensource-dev] Can we be more productive, please?

2010-04-02 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Jonathan Irvin Cell: +1-318-426-5253 Email: djfoxys...@gmail.com On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 07:41, JB Hancroft wrote: > Here are my thoughts: > > 1) If you're not an attorney, please do the rest of us a favor by not > acting like one. > The TPVP is a legal document, a

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-04-01 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Keep in mind, it's not LL that's saying it, it is their lawyers. Like I said, LL is protecting their assets. The best way for them to do that is by hiring good lawyers who can cover all the bases. Jonathan Irvin ___ Policies and (un

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-04-01 Thread Jonathan Irvin
service. It's no different than allowing people to connect to an open network and expecting them not to abuse it. You have to protect yourself. Jonathan Irvin On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 13:13, Gareth Nelson wrote: > Do you think griefers are going to care about the TPV, or any policy > f

Re: [opensource-dev] A note on preserving "NO WARRANTY" for SL TPV developers

2010-04-01 Thread Jonathan Irvin
e and more bits of their service to the users, there has to be regulation and restrictions in order to protect the business. There is infinitely more chance for something to go wrong when you throw third-party viewers in the mix. Jonathan Irvin On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 06:04, Carlo Wood wrote: >

Re: [opensource-dev] Can you legally agree to incomprehensible conditions?

2010-04-01 Thread Jonathan Irvin
it take to change a lightbulb?" Answer One, Zero, we don't have the source code for it. Answer Two, Zero, it's a hardware issue. Jonathan Irvin On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 03:54, Gareth Nelson wrote: > An interesting point: > If a member of staff at LL is basically saying "non

Re: [opensource-dev] [Linux] Frequent crashes with last Viewer 2 beta release

2010-03-28 Thread Jonathan Irvin
, if possible. I'm also using Ubuntu 10.04, but I'm using the beta version. Jonathan Irvin On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 13:42, Opensource Obscure wrote: > > Viewer 2 Beta is crashing much often since its last release, > even with Run Multiple Threads and Deferred Rendering options &g

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extendingavatarwearables

2010-03-26 Thread Jonathan Irvin
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 06:56, Carlo Wood wrote: > It bothers me a bit that we (you) would choose to go > for an implementation that is not the best or the > ideal one, ONLY because you want to push out a new > feature "in time". > *Carlo, it pains me to see you have this attitude towards the Li

Re: [opensource-dev] Open Development project: extendingavatar wearables

2010-03-25 Thread Jonathan Irvin
sting. Jonathan Irvin On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 13:12, Carlo Wood wrote: > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 01:48:39PM -0400, Nyx Linden wrote: > > My initial answer to that request is "we don't have time to implement > > that right now", but I'd be happy to have a more

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Irvin
So please, if you aren't going to pull up your sleeves and FIX IT, then don't waste our time. We know, the Linden's know. Your post was unnecessary. Jonathan Irvin P.S. Sorry for any one else who had to hear my rant. Thanks. On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 14:51, Maya Remblai < snow

Re: [opensource-dev] Client 2.0 - sidebar (was: Re: Open Development project: extending avatarwearables)

2010-03-23 Thread Jonathan Irvin
they want. Switching to the 1.23 design isn't available yet so giving that as an option for 2.x isn't there yet. So, use the 2.0 design. Jonathan Irvin On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 08:28, wrote: > Bryon Ruxton wrote .. > > > Could you please stop putting everything into that sidebar

Re: [opensource-dev] food for (funny) thoughts...

2010-03-22 Thread Jonathan Irvin
You're damn right it does! I just installed the LTS Beta 1 on my system yesterday. Had a few quirks, but other than that it worked fine. Not much difference between Karmic, but I suspect more to come in Beta 2, RC, and Final. Jonathan Irvin Cell: +1-318-426-5253 Email: djfoxys...@gmai

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe Mecurial Repository

2010-03-19 Thread Jonathan Irvin
If I'm not mistaken, Hg is distributed like Git. Jonathan Irvin On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 05:12, Carlo Wood wrote: > What is the advantage again of hg (over svn)? (why the move) > > On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 05:18:54PM -0700, Dzon

Re: [opensource-dev] Request for clarification on mailing list guidelines

2010-03-18 Thread Jonathan Irvin
et to flame in wiki syntax (Yay!) yeah, like that will happen. If we wanted to have fun, let's get a Buzz going or forums. And not SL forums, I'm talking good ol' fashioned phpbb. And to me, JIRA is way too bloated to have a decent conversation over a simple topic. That's what

[opensource-dev] Fwd: Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting

2010-03-17 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Jonathan Irvin Cell: +1-318-426-5253 Email: djfoxys...@gmail.com -- Forwarded message -- From: Jonathan Irvin Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 16:33 Subject: Re: [opensource-dev] Known details of LL 'Firefly' client-side scripting To: Argent Stonecutter I smell Phish.

[opensource-dev] Off-Topic Emails

2010-03-17 Thread Jonathan Irvin
* I'm probably going to get flamed for this * Egos aside, folks. I rely on the scripting, open-source, and sl-beta mailing lists to interact with peers on technical topics related to the mailing list I'm subscribed to. This is a great platform for networking as well as learning about new ways to

Re: [opensource-dev] Snowglobe 2.0^H^H^H1.3 way forward?

2010-03-12 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Keep in mind, this is still in beta. If you have an issue in the main viewer, use snowglobe. If you have an issue with snowglobe, code it yourself. If you can't code it yourself, then there's no need to blame Linden Labs for it. Being in SL for 5 years has enlightened me to the fact that some p

Re: [opensource-dev] [server-beta] Script Memory Management Algorithm

2010-03-11 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Truth be told, we're all humans. Give a monkey enough rope to hang himself and he probably will. A dynamic system makes sense because the people who only need a small slice can live happily and the people who need more resources have the flexibility they need... Of course, those are ideal condit

[opensource-dev] Cloud-Based Sim Hosting, Dynamic Sim Scaling, & Storage

2010-03-10 Thread Jonathan Irvin
*This one is for the Lindens* Ok, I've heard some rumors that Linden Labs is going to move to a more cloud-based storage system for asset management (which excites me greatly) to reduce asset-related errors, allow easier rollback, and greater redundancy. What I'm interested in knowing is that if

Re: [opensource-dev] Eclipse Guru's

2010-03-03 Thread Jonathan Irvin
I do often hear complaints and wishes for new build tools, what about us LSL devs? Some things I would like are: 1. Better IDE in SL Viewer 2. API for compiling in LSL using various IDEs already available 3. Going along with #1, as suggested, integrating Eclipse or equivalent in SL.

[opensource-dev] Second Life Package Repo

2010-02-18 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Moving this to it's own thread... Hey Linden Labs, when are we going to put Second Life in linux package format so we can just link to your repo and have us be able to install and upgrade from our respective package managers, i.e Yum & Apt-Get? This would really speed up the way we handle SnowGlo

Re: [opensource-dev] step by step guide to compiling snowglobe

2010-02-18 Thread Jonathan Irvin
That's the open-source way. Regardless of community, we're still human and us humans love ownership...whether its taking our favorite phone and customizing it with all our favorite apps or taking the concept of a viewer and releasing our own spin on it. I gotta give credit to the Emerald folks fo

[opensource-dev] Product Testing

2010-02-12 Thread Jonathan Irvin
I'm looking for a few people to test a product of mine, maybe help with some documentation (if you want).You can get it off of XStreet for free. https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=2101874If you aren't able to get a copy (due to it running out), just let me know

Re: [opensource-dev] Announce: realXtend Naali 0.1 (alpha) client viewer

2010-02-09 Thread Jonathan Irvin
Sounds silly, but A.) Will it work in the normal Grid and B.) Work in 64-bit linux? On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 11:27, Nexii Malthus wrote: > Impressive stuff, my praise goes to the realXtend team for their work. > Going to try it out right now. > > - Nexii > > > On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Ryan

Re: [opensource-dev] What's with the rename?

2010-02-05 Thread Jonathan Irvin
if I'm not mistaken, this is hosted on a secondlife.com domain, correct? what's the difference? On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 13:21, Maggie Leber (sl: Maggie Darwin) < mag...@matrisync.com> wrote: > > 2010/2/5 Kakurady Drakenar > >> > >> I don't like the name "opensource-dev". The old name, SLDev, fit