Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Bodo Moeller
On Sat, Dec 02, 2000 at 12:05:46PM +, Ben Laurie wrote: Bodo Moeller wrote: Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mats Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Mats Nilsson
Ben Laurie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eh? Surely if a cert revokes itself then one of two things has happened: a) The legitimate owner revoked it b) Someone else got hold of the private key and revoked it in either case, you want the cert to be revoked, right? In case b, nothing would stop the

RE: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Frank Balluffi
- From: Ben Laurie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2000 7:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs. Bodo Moeller wrote: Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mats Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should a self-signed root

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Goetz Babin-Ebell
Mats Nilsson wrote: Goetz Babin-Ebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can generate a new root certificate and use it to sign the new CRL which lists the old root certificate as revoked... I'm not sure one should recognize the new root ca to be a legitimate revoker of the orignal certificate.

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Goetz Babin-Ebell
Frank Balluffi wrote: I can imagine a scenario whereby an organization might choose to sign a death notice before going out of business. For example, suppose a commercial CA decided to go out of business, there might be benefits to their signing a CRL including their root certificate. The

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Goetz Babin-Ebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody can issue a CRL. Only a CA with CRL signing enabled can issue a CRL. A CA can issue a CRL with own revokated certificates but it can issue a CRL with revoked certificates of other CAs (at least in X509v3...) A CA can't revoke another CA's

RE: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Frank Balluffi
] Subject: Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs. A CA can't revoke another CA's certificates, only certificates which it has issued. Not so clear -- the CRL contains the issuer DN and a list of serial#'s (basically), but it doesn't have to be the signed by a cert with that DN. (Yes, most

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Goetz Babin-Ebell
Peter Gutmann wrote: Goetz Babin-Ebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody can issue a CRL. Only a CA with CRL signing enabled can issue a CRL. Everybody who can generate a certificate with the propper flags can generate a CRL. But he has to find a way to let the user trust him in

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-04 Thread Peter Gutmann
Goetz Babin-Ebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Peter Gutmann wrote: Goetz Babin-Ebell [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Everybody can issue a CRL. Only a CA with CRL signing enabled can issue a CRL. Everybody who can generate a certificate with the propper flags can generate a CRL. Sure, but this

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-02 Thread Ben Laurie
Bodo Moeller wrote: Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mats Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is thrown away, or is it sufficient (from its users'

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-01 Thread Peter Gutmann
Mats Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is thrown away, or is it sufficient (from its users' standpoint) that it simply ceases to issue more CRLs? Noone

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-01 Thread Goetz Babin-Ebell
Mats Nilsson wrote: Hi list. Hallo Mats, Some philosophical questions: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is thrown away, or is it sufficient (from its users' standpoint) that it

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-01 Thread Jean-Marc Desperrier
Goetz Babin-Ebell wrote: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is thrown away, or is it sufficient (from its users' standpoint) that it simply ceases to issue more CRLs? Since the

Re: CRLs and self-signed root certs.

2000-12-01 Thread Bodo Moeller
Peter Gutmann [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mats Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Should a self-signed root certificate ever need to be revoked, shall it list itself in its usual CRL(s), as the last thing it does before it is thrown away, or is it sufficient (from its users' standpoint) that it simply ceases