When it comes to server software, log files are not just for developers.
In my experience, the first people who look at log files are operators
and users. For non-English speakers, something as simple as the
absence of the word 'ERROR' or 'WARNING' in a critical message can
mean the difference b
Maybe that's a problem as well.
Log files might be best just for log messages ;)
On 2/21/12 6:01 AM, "David Kranz" wrote:
Because at least some OpenStack projects use log files for more than
just error messages, there may not be a one-size-fits all answer to
this. I agree strongly with point 1 b
Because at least some OpenStack projects use log files for more than
just error messages, there may not be a one-size-fits all answer to
this. I agree strongly with point 1 below but have also gotten a lot of
value from generic web searching of error snippets from log files,
including searches
We have a small discussion at OpenStack Korea Community about logging in local
language.
Most of participants said that they prefers having logging message in English
only.
Reasons are:
1. Logging messages are searchable keywords. Having a single entry point for
searching is important.
2.
Diego Parrilla Santamaría wrote:
> Joshua, most of non-english speaking developers I know try to use
> english for class names, methods, fields, constants... English is the
> 'lingua franca' for code, so even developers with bad english level like
> me try to use english all the time... so internat
both ways...
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Eric Windisch
On Monday, February 13, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Re: [Openstack] Question on i8ln? Agreed, I do that as well.
>
> But I’m also a biased yankee, now a californian (not hippie/ster yet, haha).
>
> On 2/13/12 2:37 PM, "Andrew Bog
Agreed, I do that as well.
But I'm also a biased yankee, now a californian (not hippie/ster yet, haha).
On 2/13/12 2:37 PM, "Andrew Bogott" wrote:
On 2/13/12 3:58 PM, Eric Windisch wrote:
I'm guessing that you're looking at this from a developer's perspective rather
than a support and oper
On 2/13/12 3:58 PM, Eric Windisch wrote:
I'm guessing that you're looking at this from a developer's
perspective rather than a support and operations perspective.
Developers will understand English, but the operations and especially
the support team may not. Having native language log message
outsource
support).
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Eric Windisch
On Monday, February 13, 2012 at 1:50 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Re: [Openstack] Question on i8ln? Interesting, that is one way of doing it.
>
> Is this pretty common with other major open-source projects?
>
> Logging just seems like a diffe
Interesting, that is one way of doing it.
Is this pretty common with other major open-source projects?
Logging just seems like a different place to me, where english seems like it
should be required. I am biased of course ;)
On 2/13/12 1:39 PM, "Eric Windisch" wrote:
Josh,
I think the prob
useful for debugging
purposes.
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Eric Windisch
On Monday, February 13, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
> Re: [Openstack] Question on i8ln? Sure but to contribute they have to
> understand python which itself is english based??
> I can understand for sys-ops people t
Sure but to contribute they have to understand python which itself is english
based??
I can understand for sys-ops people that can't understand english this might be
useful, but then they are running in unix which is also english based.
For FE (front-end facing) sites I completely agree that, th
Joshua, most of non-english speaking developers I know try to use english
for class names, methods, fields, constants... English is the 'lingua
franca' for code, so even developers with bad english level like me try to
use english all the time... so internationalized logging messages do not
make se
Hi Josh,
I cannot speak about the i18n specifics in OpenStack, but let me give you
an answer to the general question.
I added a slide to a presentation last week that uses the graph at
http://www.internetworldstats.com/top20.htm I recommend you check it out.
The title of the slide is "English is
Josh, you raise an interesting point. This also affects the ability to search
on these terms. On the other hand, having log messages in a language that the
user doesn't understand will require those users to seek assistance when they
might otherwise be able to solve the problems themselves.
It
Hi all,
I was just wondering if I could get clarification on something I never
understood related to i8ln.
In nova HACKING.rst there is a line that mentions how log messages should be
using gettext for i8ln.
Is it common in other companies to attempt to internationalize log messages?
I've see
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