Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

ailing List mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>>, Date:10/15/2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On Oct 15, 2013, at 18:14 , Duncan Thomas mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 11 Octobe

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On Oct 15, 2013, at 19:03 , Duncan Thomas wrote: > On 11 October 2013 20:51, Rochelle.Grober wrote: >> Proposed solution: >> >> There have been a couple of solutions proposed. I’m presenting a >> merged/hybrid solution that may work >> >> · Create a new repository for the extra driv

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 15, 2013, at 19:18 , Duncan Thomas wrote: > On 13 October 2013 00:19, Alessandro Pilotti > wrote: > >> If you don't like any of the options that this already long thread is >> providing, I'm absolutely open to discuss any constructive idea. But please, >> let's get out of this awful m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 13 October 2013 00:19, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > If you don't like any of the options that this already long thread is > providing, I'm absolutely open to discuss any constructive idea. But please, > let's get out of this awful mess. > > OpenStack is still a young project. Let's make sure th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 11 October 2013 20:51, Rochelle.Grober wrote: > Proposed solution: > > There have been a couple of solutions proposed. I’m presenting a > merged/hybrid solution that may work > > · Create a new repository for the extra drivers: > > o Keep kvm and Xenapi in the Nova project as “refere

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

89 E-mail: mrie...@us.ibm.com 3605 Hwy 52 N Rochester, MN 55901-1407 United States From: Alessandro Pilotti To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , Date: 10/15/2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On Oct 15, 2013, at 18:14 , Duncan Thomas wrote: On

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 15, 2013, at 18:14 , Duncan Thomas mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com>> wrote: On 11 October 2013 15:41, Alessandro Pilotti mailto:apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com>> wrote: Current reviews require: +1 "de facto" driver X mantainer(s) +2 core reviewer +2A core reviewer While with the propos

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On 11 October 2013 15:41, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > Current reviews require: > > +1 "de facto" driver X mantainer(s) > +2 core reviewer > +2A core reviewer > > While with the proposed scenario we'd get to a way faster route: > > +2 driver X mantainer > +2A another driver X mantainer or a core

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/14/2013 04:10 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: > Joe Gordon wrote: >> [...] >> This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally >> raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. >> >> Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how we >> prioritize re

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Mon, 14 Oct 2013 11:58:22 + Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > > As a an example we have a couple of critical bugs for Havana with > their fix already under review that nobody cared even to triage, let > alone review. > Anyone can join the nova-bugs team on launchpad and help triage the incomin

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> On 14.10.2013, at 11:18, "Thierry Carrez" wrote: > > Joe Gordon wrote: >> [...] >> This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally >> raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. >> >> Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how we >> p

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Joe Gordon wrote: > [...] > This sounds like a very myopic solution to the issue you originally > raised, and I don't think it will solve the underlying issues. > > Taking a step back, you originally raised a concern about how we > prioritize reviews with the havana-rc-potential tag. > [...] I'm

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 13, 2013, at 14:54 , Christopher Yeoh wrote: > On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:30:30 -0700 > Dan Smith wrote: > >>> If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a >>> rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the >>> drivers are in the same tree all of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 15:20:44 -0700 Joe Gordon wrote: > > Once again you raise the issue of bug triage and prioritization of > reviews (and blueprints), so help us fix that! This isn't a virt > driver only issue though. > > The issues you originally raise are only incidentally related to virt >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 09:30:30 -0700 Dan Smith wrote: > > If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a > > rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the > > drivers are in the same tree all of them can be updated at the same > > time as the infrastructure

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Sat, 12 Oct 2013 23:12:26 +1300 Robert Collins wrote: > On 12 October 2013 21:35, Christopher Yeoh wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 > > Dan Smith wrote: > > > > A fairly fundamental thing in SOA architectures - which we have here - > is to make all changes backwards compatibly,

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 13.10.2013, at 01:09, "Dan Smith" wrote: >> 4) Periodically, code from the new project(s) must be merged into Nova. >> Only Nova core reviewers will have obviously +2a rights here. >> I propose to do it on scheduled days before every milestone, differentiated >> per driver to distribute th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 13.10.2013, at 01:26, "Joe Gordon" mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Alessandro Pilotti mailto:apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com>> wrote: On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, "Dan Smith" mailto:d...@danplanet.com>> wrote: >> From the user perspective, splittin

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Alessandro Pilotti < apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com> wrote: > > > On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, "Dan Smith" wrote: > > >> From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be > >> focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user > >> experience

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> 4) Periodically, code from the new project(s) must be merged into Nova. > Only Nova core reviewers will have obviously +2a rights here. > I propose to do it on scheduled days before every milestone, differentiated > per driver to distribute the review effort (what about also having Nova core >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

From: Alessandro Pilotti [apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com] Sent: 12 October 2013 20:21 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status > 1) All the drivers will still be part of Nova. > > 2) One officia

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On 12.10.2013, at 20:22, "Dan Smith" wrote: >> From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be >> focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user >> experience. > > I think what you describe is specifically the desire that originally > spawned the thread: making

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roject outside of the focus of the largest part of the community in most cases. > Assuming there is a summit session on how to address this, I can arrange a > user representation in that session. > > Tim > >> -Original Message- >> From: Dan Smith [mailto:d..

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> From the user perspective, splitting off the projects seems to be > focussing on the ease of commit compared to the final user > experience. I think what you describe is specifically the desire that originally spawned the thread: making the merging of changes to the hyper-v driver faster by ha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

..@danplanet.com] > Sent: 12 October 2013 18:31 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status > > > If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a > > rather painful process to change the virt driver A

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

> If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a > rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the > drivers are in the same tree all of them can be updated at the same > time as the infrastructure. Right, and I think if we split those drivers out, then we

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 12 October 2013 21:35, Christopher Yeoh wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 > Dan Smith wrote: > > If the idea is to gate with nova-extra-drivers this could lead to a > rather painful process to change the virt driver API. When all the > drivers are in the same tree all of them can be

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 08:27:54 -0700 Dan Smith wrote: > > Agreed, a stable virt driver API is not feasible or healthy at this > point, IMHO. However, it doesn't change that much as it is. I know > I'll be making changes to virt drivers in the coming cycle due to > objects and I have no problem subm

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

clean and fast. --Rocky Grober -Original Message- From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 3:59 PM To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On 10/11/2013 05:09 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > My

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/11/2013 05:09 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > My suggestion is to bring this discussion to HK, possibly with a few beers > in front and sort it out :-) Sounds like a good plan to me! Thanks, -- Russell Bryant ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list Open

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 11.10.2013, at 22:58, "Rochelle.Grober" mailto:rochelle.gro...@huawei.com>> wrote: Pardon me for cutting out most of the discussion. I’d like to summarize a bit here and make a proposal. Issues: · Driver and Plugin writers for Nova (and other Core OpenStack projects) have a dif

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/11/2013 03:51 PM, Rochelle.Grober wrote: > Pardon me for cutting out most of the discussion. I’d like to summarize > a bit here and make a proposal. > > > > Issues: > > > > · Driver and Plugin writers for Nova (and other Core OpenStack > projects) have a different development

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

Pardon me for cutting out most of the discussion. I'd like to summarize a bit here and make a proposal. Issues: * Driver and Plugin writers for Nova (and other Core OpenStack projects) have a different development focus than core developers which can create both delays in getting sub

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

Not to derail the current direction this thread is heading but my 2 cents on the topic of moving drivers out of tree: I share a lot of the same concerns that John Griffith pointed out. As a one of the maintainers of the PowerVM driver in nova, I view the "official"-ness of having the driver in tre

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 12:43 PM, David Kranz wrote: > On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > > > > > > On Oct 11, 2013, at 19:29 , Russell Bryant > wrote: > > On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, John Griffith wrote: > > Umm... just to clarify the section below is NOT from my message. :) >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: On Oct 11, 2013, at 19:29 , Russell Bryant > wrote: On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, John Griffith wrote: [... snip ...] Talking about new community involvements, newcomers are getting very frustrated to have to wait

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/11/2013 02:03 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > Talking about new community involvements, newcomers are getting very > frustrated to have to wait for weeks to get a meaningful review and I > cannot blame them if they don't want to get involved anymore after the > first patch! > This makes appe

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

om: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com<http://redhat.com> <mailto:rbry...@redhat.com>] Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> <mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hype

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wrote: >> >> > -Original Message- >> > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com >> <mailto:rbry...@redhat.com>] >> > Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 >> > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org >> <mailt

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>] > Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 > To: > openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status > > > As a practical example for Nova: in our case that would simply include the > follo

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

2 | Mobile: 1-507-990-1889 E-mail: mrie...@us.ibm.com 3605 Hwy 52 N Rochester, MN 55901-1407 United States From: Russell Bryant To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org, Date: 10/11/2013 11:33 AM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On 10/11/2013 12:04 PM, Joh

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On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 6:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti < apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com> wrote: > > On Oct 11, 2013, at 14:15 , Sean Dague > wrote: > > > On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: > > > >> Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that > >> I believe the co

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> My only request here is that we can make sure that new driver > features can land for other drivers without necessarilky having them > implemented for libvirt/KVM first. We've got lots of things supported by the XenAPI drivers that aren't supported by libvirt, so I don't think this is a problem

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hat.com>] > > Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > <mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org> > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status > > > > > As a practical example for Nova:

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On Oct 11, 2013, at 18:36 , Dan Smith wrote: >> I think that all drivers that are officially supported must be >> treated in the same way. > > Well, we already have multiple classes of support due to the various > states of testing that the drivers have. > >> If we are going to split out dri

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 9:12 AM, Bob Ball wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] > > Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status &g

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> I think that all drivers that are officially supported must be > treated in the same way. Well, we already have multiple classes of support due to the various states of testing that the drivers have. > If we are going to split out drivers into a separate but still > official repository then we

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> We could either have a single repo: > > openstack/nova-extra-drivers This would be my preference for sure, just from the standpoint of additional release complexity otherwise. I know it might complicate how the core team works, but presumably we could get away with just having driver mainta

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 11, 2013, at 18:02 , Russell Bryant wrote: > On 10/11/2013 10:41 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: >> >> >> On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant > > >> wrote: >> >>> On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is organized differently

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

> -Original Message- > From: Russell Bryant [mailto:rbry...@redhat.com] > Sent: 11 October 2013 15:18 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status > > > As a practical example for Nova: in our case that would simply

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On 10/11/2013 10:41 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > > > On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant > > wrote: > >> On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: >>> OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate >>> projects (Nova, Neutrom, Glance

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On Oct 11, 2013, at 17:17 , Russell Bryant mailto:rbry...@redhat.com>> wrote: On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate projects (Nova, Neutrom, Glance, etc) instead of a single one (which is a good thing), but I believe

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/11/2013 09:02 AM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > OpenStack is organized differently: there are lots of separate projects > (Nova, Neutrom, Glance, etc) instead of a single one (which is a good thing), > but I believe that a similar approach can be applied. Specific contributors > can be nomin

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 11, 2013, at 14:15 , Sean Dague wrote: > On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: > >> Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that >> I believe the concept of "reviewer karma" to be counter to both software >> quality and openness. In this particular case it

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/10/2013 08:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: Again, I don't have any vested interest in this discussion, except that I believe the concept of "reviewer karma" to be counter to both software quality and openness. In this particular case it would seem that the simplest solution to this problem would b

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 11/ott/2013, at 05:25, "Joe Gordon" mailto:joe.gord...@gmail.com>> wrote: On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Alessandro Pilotti mailto:apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com>> wrote: Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pend

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Tim Smith wrote: > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: > > >> Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for >> you to get more review attention is get more karma in the dev community >> by helping review other patches.

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t; E-mail:* *mrie...@us.ibm.com* > [image: IBM] > > 3605 Hwy 52 N > Rochester, MN 55901-1407 > United States > > > > > > From:Tim Smith > To:OpenStack Development Mailing List < > openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>, > Date:1

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Alessandro Pilotti < apilo...@cloudbasesolutions.com> wrote: > Hi all, > > As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email > to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the Hyper-V > integration in OpenStack. > > In th

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

ates From: Tim Smith To: OpenStack Development Mailing List , Date: 10/10/2013 07:48 PM Subject:Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for you

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On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 1:50 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: > Please understand that I only want to help here. Perhaps a good way for > you to get more review attention is get more karma in the dev community > by helping review other patches. It looks like you don't really review > anything outside

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On Oct 10, 2013, at 23:50 , Russell Bryant mailto:rbry...@redhat.com>> wrote: On 10/10/2013 02:20 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the Hyper-V integrat

Re: [openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

On 10/10/2013 02:20 PM, Alessandro Pilotti wrote: > Hi all, > > As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email > to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the > Hyper-V integration in OpenStack. > > In the past weeks we diligently marked bugs that are

[openstack-dev] [Hyper-V] Havana status

Hi all, As the Havana release date is approaching fast, I'm sending this email to sum up the situation for pending bugs and reviews related to the Hyper-V integration in OpenStack. In the past weeks we diligently marked bugs that are related to Havana features with the "havana-rc-potential" ta