Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-16 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/14/01 21:35, Vitaly Kramskikh wrote: Hi Jaromir, 2014/1/13 Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com mailto:jcou...@redhat.com So what we can do at the moment (until there is some way to specify which node to remove) is to inform user, which nodes were removed in the end... at

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/13/01 13:15, Ladislav Smola wrote: The usage of roles is new metric which doesn't exist. It is the most consumed HW resource (which means if CPU is consumed by 60 % and RAM or disk are less, then the role usage is 60 %). It would be great to have such a metric from Ceilometer. However, I

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/13/01 12:20, Ladislav Smola wrote: [snip of larger amount of text] - When on the change deployments screen, after making a change but not yet applying it, how are the projected capacity changes calculated? I believe we wanted to make just simple algorithm, that was considering, that

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Jaromir Coufal
1) Check for an already deleted server before deleting any. This is related to stack convergence: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-convergence This will allow users to just delete a server they want to delete, and then update the template to reflect reality. 2) Allow resources

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/13/01 16:45, Jiří Stránský wrote: [snip] The other approach is just to scale the number of nodes in a role and let system decide the best match (which node profile is chosen will be decided on the best fit, probably). Hmm i'm not sure i understand - what do you think by best fit here?

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Ladislav Smola
On 01/15/2014 10:53 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/13/01 13:15, Ladislav Smola wrote: The usage of roles is new metric which doesn't exist. It is the most consumed HW resource (which means if CPU is consumed by 60 % and RAM or disk are less, then the role usage is 60 %). It would be great to

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread James Slagle
On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com wrote: - For editing a role, does it make a new image with the changes to what services are deployed each time it's saved? So, there are two things - one thing is provisioning image. We are not dealing with image builder at

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)
-Original Message- From: James Slagle [mailto:james.sla...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 5:52 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes This does

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Jaromir Coufal's message of 2014-01-15 02:05:52 -0800: 1) Check for an already deleted server before deleting any. This is related to stack convergence: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-convergence This will allow users to just delete a server they want

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Clint Byrum
: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes This does not seem quite right to me. I don't think we want to be enabling or disabling different services in images at deployment time. That's one of the reasons that we have the element nature of diskimage

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-15 Thread Jay Dobies
I don't necessarily disagree with this assertion, but what this could lead to is a proliferation of a bunch of very similar images. Templatizing some of the attributes (e.g., this package is enabled, that one isn't) can reduce the potential explosion of images stored in glance. If that's a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-14 Thread Vitaly Kramskikh
Hi Jaromir, 2014/1/13 Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com So what we can do at the moment (until there is some way to specify which node to remove) is to inform user, which nodes were removed in the end... at least. In the future, I'd like to enable user to have both ways available - just

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-14 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Vitaly Kramskikh's message of 2014-01-14 12:35:43 -0800: Hi Jaromir, 2014/1/13 Jaromir Coufal jcou...@redhat.com So what we can do at the moment (until there is some way to specify which node to remove) is to inform user, which nodes were removed in the end... at least.

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi Jeff, many thanks for great feedback. Few comments are inline: On 2014/10/01 16:16, Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD) wrote: Jarda, I love how this is progressing. It will be very nice once it's implemented! The iconography seems to be inconsistent. The ! triangle is used for error

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi Jay, thanks for your questions, they are great. I am going to answer inline: On 2014/10/01 17:18, Jay Dobies wrote: Thanks for recording this. A few questions: - I'm guessing the capacity metrics will come from Ceilometer. Will Ceilometer provide the averages for the role or is that

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/10/01 19:02, Dougal Matthews wrote: Hi, Thanks for the wireframes and the walkthrough. Very useful. I've a few comments. - I'd like to echo the comments from the recording about Role I think the term probably isn't specific enough but I don't have a great suggestion. However, this is

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jaromir Coufal
On 2014/10/01 21:17, Jay Dobies wrote: Another question: - A Role (sounds like we're moving away from that so I'll call it Resource Category) can have multiple Node Profiles defined (assuming I'm interpretting the + and the tabs in the Create a Role wireframe correctly). But I don't see

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Ladislav Smola
Hello, some answers below: On 01/10/2014 05:18 PM, Jay Dobies wrote: Thanks for recording this. A few questions: - I'm guessing the capacity metrics will come from Ceilometer. Will Ceilometer provide the averages for the role or is that calculated by Tuskar? Definitely Ceilometer, though

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Ladislav Smola
Hi, some answers inline: On 01/13/2014 10:47 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: Hi Jay, thanks for your questions, they are great. I am going to answer inline: On 2014/10/01 17:18, Jay Dobies wrote: Thanks for recording this. A few questions: - I'm guessing the capacity metrics will come from

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Dougal Matthews
On 13/01/14 10:37, Jaromir Coufal wrote: So what we can do at the moment (until there is some way to specify which node to remove) is to inform user, which nodes were removed in the end... at least. Sounds like a good compromise for now. I think we probably then need feedback from

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)
From: Jaromir Coufal [mailto:jcou...@redhat.com] On 2014/10/01 19:02, Dougal Matthews wrote: - If I remove some instances, do I as the administrator need to care which are removed? Do we need to choose or be informed at the end? This is great question on which we have long debates. I am

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)
From: Jaromir Coufal [mailto:jcou...@redhat.com] On 2014/10/01 16:16, Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD) wrote: For configuration, will it be possible to supply default values to these and let the user change them only if they want to? For some values it's probably not possible, but for

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jay Dobies
On 01/13/2014 05:43 AM, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/10/01 21:17, Jay Dobies wrote: Another question: - A Role (sounds like we're moving away from that so I'll call it Resource Category) can have multiple Node Profiles defined (assuming I'm interpretting the + and the tabs in the Create a

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Jiří Stránský
On 13.1.2014 11:43, Jaromir Coufal wrote: On 2014/10/01 21:17, Jay Dobies wrote: Another question: - A Role (sounds like we're moving away from that so I'll call it Resource Category) can have multiple Node Profiles defined (assuming I'm interpretting the + and the tabs in the Create a Role

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-13 Thread Clint Byrum
Excerpts from Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)'s message of 2014-01-13 06:54:11 -0800: From: Jaromir Coufal [mailto:jcou...@redhat.com] On 2014/10/01 19:02, Dougal Matthews wrote: - If I remove some instances, do I as the administrator need to care which are removed? Do we need to

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-10 Thread Jaromir Coufal
Hi everybody, there is first stab of Deployment Management section with future direction (note that it was discussed as a scope for Icehouse). I tried to add functionality in time and break it down to steps. This will help us to focus on one functionality at a time and if we will be in time

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-10 Thread Walls, Jeffrey Joel (Cloud OS RD)
the better. Jeff -Original Message- From: Jaromir Coufal [mailto:jcou...@redhat.com] Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:58 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List Subject: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes Hi everybody, there is first stab

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-10 Thread Jay Dobies
Thanks for recording this. A few questions: - I'm guessing the capacity metrics will come from Ceilometer. Will Ceilometer provide the averages for the role or is that calculated by Tuskar? - When on the change deployments screen, after making a change but not yet applying it, how are the

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-10 Thread Dougal Matthews
Hi, Thanks for the wireframes and the walkthrough. Very useful. I've a few comments. - I'd like to echo the comments from the recording about Role I think the term probably isn't specific enough but I don't have a great suggestion. However, this is probably suited better to the other

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Tuskar] Deployment Management section - Wireframes

2014-01-10 Thread Jay Dobies
Another question: - A Role (sounds like we're moving away from that so I'll call it Resource Category) can have multiple Node Profiles defined (assuming I'm interpretting the + and the tabs in the Create a Role wireframe correctly). But I don't see anywhere where a profile is selected when