Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-31 Thread laserjetyang
I tend to say 2) is the best option. There are many open source or commercial backup software, and both for VMs and volume. If we do option 1), it reminds me to implement something similar to VMware method, and it will cause nova really heavy. On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 4:04 AM, Preston L.

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-31 Thread Preston L. Bannister
I also believe (2) is the most workable option. Full disclosure ... my current job is at EMC, and we just shipped a backup product for the VMware vCloud (the one used for VMware vCloud Air - http://vcloud.vmware.com/http://vcloud.vmware.com/). First release of that project was wrapping up, and I

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-30 Thread Preston L. Bannister
You are thinking of written-for-cloud applications. For those the state should not persist with the instance. There are a very large number of existing applications, not written to the cloud model, but which could be deployed in a cloud. Those applications are not all going to get re-written (as

[openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-29 Thread Preston L. Bannister
Looking to put a proper implementation of instance backup into OpenStack. Started by writing a simple set of baseline tests and running against the stable/icehouse branch. They failed! https://github.com/dreadedhill-work/openstack-backup-scripts Scripts and configuration are in the above. Simple

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-29 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/29/2014 02:48 AM, Preston L. Bannister wrote: Looking to put a proper implementation of instance backup into OpenStack. Started by writing a simple set of baseline tests and running against the stable/icehouse branch. They failed!

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-29 Thread Preston L. Bannister
The current backup APIs in OpenStack do not really make sense (and apparently do not work ... which perhaps says something about usage and usability). So in that sense, they could be removed. Wrote out a bit as to what is needed:

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] nova backup not working in stable/icehouse?

2014-08-29 Thread laserjetyang
I think the purpose of nova VM is not for persistent usage, and it should be used for stateless. However, there are use cases to use VM to replace bare metal applications, and it requires the same coverage, which I think VMware did pretty well. The nova backup is snapshot indeed, so it should be