Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-06 Thread Eoghan Glynn
So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform our gating structure, specifically to encourage (or dare I say, actually force) all of us (the project teams) to become

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-04 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Devananda van der Veen wrote: Nope. I am not making any value judgement whatsoever. I'm describing dependencies for minimally satisfying the intended purpose of a given project. For example, Nova's primary goal is not emit telemetry, it is scalable, on demand, self service

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Joe Gordon
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Chris Dent chd...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Joe Gordon wrote: * services that nothing depends on * services that don't depend on other services Latest graph: http://i.imgur.com/y8zmNIM.png I'm hesitant to open this can but it's just lying

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Dent
On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Joe Gordon wrote: data is coming from here: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack/blob/master/openstack.yaml and the key is here: https://github.com/jogo/graphing-openstack Cool, thanks. Many of those services expect[1] to be able to send notifications (or be polled

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/03/2014 11:38 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Joe Gordon wrote: Many of those services expect[1] to be able to send notifications (or be polled by) ceilometer[2]. We've got an ongoing thread about the need to contractualize notifications. Are those contracts (or the desire for

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 11:38 AM, Chris Dent wrote: On Fri, 3 Oct 2014, Joe Gordon wrote: Many of those services expect[1] to be able to send notifications (or be polled by) ceilometer[2]. We've got an ongoing thread

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform our gating structure, specifically to encourage (or dare I say, actually force) all of us (the project teams) to become more

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Eoghan Glynn
So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform our gating structure, specifically to encourage (or dare I say, actually force) all of us (the project teams) to become more

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Chris Friesen
On 10/03/2014 02:33 PM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform our gating structure, specifically to encourage (or dare I say, actually force) all

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform our gating structure, specifically to encourage (or dare

Re: [openstack-dev] What's a dependency (was Re: [all][tc] governance changes for big tent...) model

2014-10-03 Thread Devananda van der Veen
On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 2:13 PM, Chris Friesen chris.frie...@windriver.com wrote: On 10/03/2014 02:33 PM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: So a bit of background here. This began from thinking about functional dependencies, and pondering whether a map of the dependency graph of our projects could inform