Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][core] Expectations of core reviewers

Hi On 14 Aug 2014, at 19:48, Dugger, Donald D donald.d.dug...@intel.com wrote: My experience with mics, no matter how good, In conference rooms is not good. +1 The ubuntu dev summits went through several iterations of trying to make remote participation effective, and I don't think we

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Ironic] Unique way to get a registered machine?

Hi When register-nodes blows up, is the error we get from Ironic sufficiently unique that we can just consume it and move on? I'm all for making the API more powerful wrt inspecting the current setup, but I also like idempotency :) Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 22 Aug 2014, at 07:32, Steve

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][Ironic] Unique way to get a registered machine?

Hi Nice, sounds like a very good thing from an operator's perspective. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 22 Aug 2014, at 08:44, Steve Kowalik ste...@wedontsleep.org wrote: On 22/08/14 17:35, Chris Jones wrote: Hi When register-nodes blows up, is the error we get from Ironic sufficiently

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Propose adding StevenK to core reviewers

Hi +1 Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 9 Sep 2014, at 19:32, Gregory Haynes g...@greghaynes.net wrote: Hello everyone! I have been working on a meta-review of StevenK's reviews and I would like to propose him as a new member of our core team. As I'm sure many have noticed, he has been above

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][elections] Not running as PTL this cycle

Hi On 22 September 2014 04:26, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: I'm not running as PTL for the TripleO program this cycle. As someone who's been involved in TripleO for a couple of years, I'd like to say thank you very much for your efforts in bootstrapping and PTLing the

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

Hi My guess for the easiest answer to that: distro vendor support. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 7 Jan 2014, at 20:23, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: What would be the benefit of using packages? We've specifically avoided packages because they complect[1] configuration and system state

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

their fixes/improvements and new elements back up to us because we're too diverged. If this is a real customer need, I would come down in favour of doing it if the cost of the above implementation (or an alternate one) isn't too high. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 7 Jan 2014, at 20:01, James Slagle

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

Hi (FWIW I suggested using the element arguments like nova/package to avoid a huge and crazy environment by using DIB_REPO foo for every element) Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 7 Jan 2014, at 20:32, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Fox, Kevin M kevin

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

Hi On 7 Jan 2014, at 21:17, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: Could you expand on this a bit? I'm not sure what inconsistency you're referring to. That multiple repos work, but the docs don't say so, and the DIB_REPO foo doesn't support multiple repos. I wonder if we could

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

Hi On 7 Jan 2014, at 22:18, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Packages do the opposite, and encourage entropy by promising to try and update software Building with packages doesn't require updating running systems with packages and more than building with git requires updating running

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Installing from packages in tripleo-image-elements

hurting our preferred processes, we look favourably on it. I would rather have users on the road to doing things our way, than be immediately turned away or forced into dramatically forking us. Cheers, -- Chris Jones ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack

Re: [openstack-dev] [ironic] Disk Eraser

Hi https://code.google.com/p/diskscrub/ If you need more than /dev/zero, scrub should be packaged in most distros and offers a choice of high grade algorithms. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 15 Jan 2014, at 14:31, Alan Kavanagh alan.kavan...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi fellow OpenStackers Does

Re: [openstack-dev] a common client library

Hi Once a common library is in place, is there any intention to (or resistance against) collapsing the clients into a single project or even a single command (a la busybox)? (I'm thinking reduced load for packagers, simpler installation for users, etc) Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 15 Jan 2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

Hi On 22 January 2014 21:33, Fox, Kevin M kevin@pnnl.gov wrote: I think we're pretty far off in a tangent though. My main point was, if you can't selectively restart services as needed, I'm not sure how useful patching the image really is over a full reboot. It should take on the same

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] our update story: can people live with it?

and that still requires some design and implementation to figure out. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 23 Jan 2014, at 12:57, Angus Thomas atho...@redhat.com wrote: On 22/01/14 20:54, Clint Byrum wrote: I don't understand the aversion to using existing, well-known tools to handle this? These tools

Re: [openstack-dev] [Openstack-operators] [TripleO] consistency vs packages in TripleO

Hi Assuming I am interpreting your mail correctly, I think option A makes vastly more sense, with one very specific provision I'd add. More on that in a moment. Option B, the idea that we would mangle a package-installed environment to suit our desired layout, is not going to work out well for

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tripleo] tripleo-cd-admins team update / contact info question

Hi On 25 February 2014 14:30, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: So - I think we need to define two things: - a stock way for $randoms to ask for support w/ these clouds that will be fairly low latency and reliable. - a way for us to escalate to each other *even if folk

[openstack-dev] [Ironic] Manual scheduling nodes in maintenance mode

Hey I wanted to throw out an idea that came to me while I was working on diagnosing some hardware issues in the Tripleo CD rack at the sprint last week. Specifically, if a particular node has been dropped from automatic scheduling by the operator, I think it would be super useful to be able to

[openstack-dev] [Neutron] Error while running tox -v -epy27 tests.unit.ml2

Hello; I was talking with some people on the openstack-neutron IRC channel, and was trying to get assistance to root cause why the ml2 unit tests are failing. I have cloned a fresh neutron tree that I have pegged back to hash: b78eea6 I am attempting to run the following on an vagrant Ubuntu

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO][reviews] We're falling behind

Hey +1 3 a day seems pretty sustainable. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 25 Mar 2014, at 20:17, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: TripleO has just seen an influx of new contributors. \o/. Flip side - we're now slipping on reviews /o\. In the meeting today we had basically two

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] proxying SSL traffic for API requests

stick with stunnel because it happened to be the one I was most familiar with :) I would think that an httpd would be a good option to go with as the default, because I tend to think that we'll need an httpd running/managing the python code by default. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 26 Mar 2014

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] proxying SSL traffic for API requests

Hi On 26 March 2014 16:51, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: quite a bit differently than app serving), there is a security implication in having the private SSL keys on the same box that runs the app. This is a very good point, thanks :) -- Cheers, Chris

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] reviewer update march

Hi +1 for your proposed -core changes. Re your question about whether we should retroactively apply the 3-a-day rule to the 3 month review stats, my suggestion would be a qualified no. I think we've established an agile approach to the member list of -core, so if there are a one or two people

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] TripleO core reviewer update - november

Hi On 30 October 2013 09:06, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: - James Slagle for -core Very +1 - Arata Notsu to be removed from -core +1 - Devananda van der veen to be removed from -core +1 Thanks to Arata and Devananda for their efforts to date (and of course

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Version numbering of TripleO releases

Hi On 31 October 2013 05:09, Roman Podoliaka rpodoly...@mirantis.com wrote: 0.MAJOR.MINOR versioning totally makes sense to me until we get to 1.0.0. +1 Your examples are both excellent. Thanks very much for taking the release baton for now :) -- Cheers, Chris

Re: [openstack-dev] RFC: reverse the default Gerrit sort order

Hey On 11 November 2013 12:36, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: In the meantime, I've been making complex search queries in the search box and then just saving the resulting URL as 'saved search' link. I got bored enough with maintaining them in the tiny search box, that I quickly

Re: [openstack-dev] [Tripleo] Core reviewer update Dec

Hi On 4 December 2013 07:12, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: - Ghe Rivero for -core +1 - Jan Provaznik for removal from -core - Jordan O'Mara for removal from -core - Martyn Taylor for removal from -core - Jiri Tomasek for removal from -core - Jamomir Coufal for

[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Ubuntu element switched to Saucy

Hi Apologies for being a little late announcing this, but the Ubuntu element in diskimage-builder has been switched[1] to defaulting to the Saucy release (i.e. 13.10). Please file bugs if you find any regressions! [1] https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58714/ -- Cheers, Chris

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] capturing build details in images

Hi On 4 December 2013 22:19, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: So - what about us capturing this information outside the image: we can create a uuid for the build, and write a file in the image with that uuid, and outside the image we can write +1 I think having a UUID

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] os-refresh-config run frequency

Hi Given... On 26 Jun 2014, at 20:20, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: we should just have a file in /var/run that and... I think we should focus just on how do we re-assert state?. ... for the reboot case, we could have os-collect-config check for the presence of the /var/run file when

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Proposal to add Jon Paul Sullivan and Alexis Lee to core review team

Hi +1 Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 9 Jul 2014, at 16:52, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Hello! I've been looking at the statistics, and doing a bit of review of the reviewers, and I think we have an opportunity to expand the core reviewer team in TripleO. We absolutely need the help

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] os-refresh-config run frequency

Hi I also have some strong concerns about this. Can we get round a table this week and hash it out? Cheers, Chris On 20 Jul 2014, at 14:51, Dan Prince dpri...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, 2014-07-17 at 15:54 +0100, Michael Kerrin wrote: On Thursday 26 June 2014 12:20:30 Clint Byrum wrote:

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] reviewer update march [additional cores]

Hi +1 Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 8 Apr 2014, at 00:50, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: tl;dr: 3 more core members to propose: bnemec greghaynes jdon On 4 April 2014 08:55, Chris Jones c...@tenshu.net wrote: Hi +1 for your proposed -core changes. Re your

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] config options, defaults, oh my!

Hi On 8 Apr 2014, at 11:20, Sean Dague s...@dague.net wrote: I think Phil is dead on. I'll also share the devstack experience here. Until we provided the way for arbitrary pass through we were basically getting a few patches every week that were let me configure this variable in the

Re: [openstack-dev] TripleO fully uploaded to Debian Experimental

Hi On 11 April 2014 08:00, Thomas Goirand z...@debian.org wrote: it's with a great joy that I can announce today, that TripleO is now fully in Debian [1]. It is currently only uploaded to Debian woo! Thanks very much Thomas :) -- Cheers, Chris

Re: [openstack-dev] [Ironic][TripleO] ubuntu deploy-ironic element ramdisk does not detect sata disks

Hi At the point you get that error, it should also give you about 10 seconds to press t to get a troubleshooting shell (or you can specify troubleshoot on the kernel command line if you prefer). I would start with that and have a poke around dmesg and /dev to see what it can see by way of disks.

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] /bin/bash vs. /bin/sh

Hi Apart from special cases like the ramdisk's /init, which is a script that needs to run in busybox's shell, everything should be using bash. There's no point us tying ourselves in knots trying to achieve POSIX compliance for the sake of it, when bashisms are super useful. Cheers, Chris On

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] /bin/bash vs. /bin/sh

Hi On 15 April 2014 09:14, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: I supose that rewriting the code to be in Python is out of the question ? IMHO shell is just a terrible language for doing any program that is remotely complicated (ie longer than 10 lines of I don't think it's out of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Thoughts from the PTL -- possible mid cycle meetup dates

Hey Co-locating still has the option to partially overlap the two sprints. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 16 Apr 2014, at 02:38, Michael Still mi...@stillhq.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: On 16 April 2014 11:28, Michael Still mi

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Post-summit next steps

Hi On 20 May 2014, at 16:25, Sanchez, Cristian A cristian.a.sanc...@intel.com wrote: Could you please point me where the spec repo is? http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tripleo-specs/ Cheers, Chris ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] a need to assert user ownership in preserved state

Hi On 6 Oct 2014, at 17:41, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: We have to be _extremely_ careful in how we manage this. I actually think it has potential to really blow up in our faces. Yes, anything we do here has the potential to be extremely ruinous for operators, but the reality is that

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] a need to assert user ownership in preserved state

Hi On 7 Oct 2014, at 18:49, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: * Create an element which imports /etc/passwd and /etc/group from local disk into image. This will have an element-provides of uid-gid-map I don't think it should import those files wholesale, IMO that's making way too many

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] a need to assert user ownership in preserved state

Hi On 7 Oct 2014, at 20:47, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: I don't think it should import those files wholesale, IMO that's making way too many assumptions about the similarity of the two builds. Disagree on the grounds that the point of this is to deal with people who already have

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Kilo Mid-Cycle Meetup Planning

Hi On 9 October 2014 23:56, James Polley j...@jamezpolley.com wrote: Assuming it's in the US or Europe, Mon-Fri gives me about 3 useful days, once you take out the time I lose to jet lag. That's barely worth the 48 hours or so I spent in transit last time. It may well be

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] [Ironic] [Cinder] Baremetal volumes -- how to model direct attached storage

a whole different set of challenges :) Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 13 Nov 2014, at 09:25, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Back in the day before the ephemeral hack (though that was something folk have said they would like for libvirt too - so its not such a hack per-se

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] mid-cycle sprint?

Hey I'm away from 5th-15th August and if possible I would prefer to be at home for 11th September. I'll start putting out feelers for family to come and stay to help with childcare while I'm out :) No preferences on the location. Cheers, Chris On 12 July 2013 17:02, Devananda van der Veen

Re: [openstack-dev] headsup - transient test failures on py26 ' cannot import name OrderedDict'

Hi On 17 July 2013 21:27, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Surely thats fixable by having a /opt/ install of Python2.7 built for RHEL ? That would make life s much easier for all concerned, and is super Possibly not easier for those tasked with keeping OS security patches

Re: [openstack-dev] [tripleo] removing sudoers.d rules from disk-image-builder

Hi On 25 July 2013 14:20, Derek Higgins der...@redhat.com wrote: which only gives people an incorrect sense of security. I agree with your analysis of the effects of the sudoers file and I think it makes a great argument for recommending people run the main command itself with sudo, rather

Re: [openstack-dev] Python overhead for rootwrap

Hi On 2 August 2013 13:14, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: for managing VMs. Nova isn't using as much as it could do though. Nova isn't using any of libvirt's storage or network related APIs currently, which could obsolete some of its uses of rootwrap. That certainly sounds

Re: [openstack-dev] [TRIPLEO] Derekh for tripleo core

Hi On 27 August 2013 22:25, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: So - calling for votes for Derek to become a TripleO core reviewer +1 I think we're nearly at the point where we can switch to the 'two +2's' model - what do you think? Selfishly I'd quite like to see a little

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Generalising racks :- modelling a datacentre

Hi On 25 September 2013 04:15, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.netwrote: E.g. for any node I should be able to ask: - what failure domains is this in? [e.g. power-45, switch-23, ac-15, az-3, region-1] - what locality-of-reference features does this have? [e.g. switch-23, az-3,

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Undercloud Ceilometer

Hi On 4 October 2013 16:28, Ladislav Smola lsm...@redhat.com wrote: test it. Anybody volunteers for this task? There will be a hard part: doing the right configurations. (firewall, keystone, snmpd.conf) So it's all configured in a clean and a secured way. That would require a seasoned

Re: [openstack-dev] [diskimage-builder] Tracing levels for scripts (119023)

about logging from a multitude of bash scripts, and tricks like XTRACE_FD, the more I think it's crazy and we should just incrementally improve the non-trace logging as a separate exercise, leaving working tracing for true debugging situations. Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 3 Dec 2014, at 05:00, Ian

Re: [openstack-dev] [diskimage-builder] Tracing levels for scripts (119023)

Hi On 3 Dec 2014, at 18:41, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: What if the patch is reworked to leave the current trace-all-the-time mode in place, and we iterate on each script to make tracing conditional as we add proper logging? +1 Cheers, -- Chris Jones

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Do we want to remove Nova-bm support?

Hi AFAIK there are no products out there using tripleonova-bm, but maybe a quick post to -operators asking if this will ruin anyone's day, would be good? Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 4 Dec 2014, at 04:47, Steve Kowalik ste...@wedontsleep.org wrote: Hi all, I'm becoming increasingly

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] nominating James Polley for tripleo-core

Hi +1! Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 14 Jan 2015, at 18:14, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Hello! It has been a while since we expanded our review team. The numbers aren't easy to read with recent dips caused by the summit and holidays. However, I believe James has demonstrated superb

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Stepping down as TripleO PTL

Hi Thanks for stepping forward, James :) Cheers, -- Chris Jones On 18 Feb 2015, at 21:45, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Clint Byrum's message of 2015-02-17 08:52:46 -0800: Excerpts from Anita Kuno's message of 2015-02-17 07:38:01 -0800: On 02/17/2015 09:21 AM, Clint

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Stepping down as TripleO PTL

Hi Clint Thanks very much for your awesome work as our PTL :) Cheers, Chris On 17 February 2015 at 14:21, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: There has been a recent monumental shift in my focus around OpenStack, and it has required me to take most of my attention off TripleO. Given that,

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] stepping down as core reviewer

Hi Rob Thanks for your excellent run of insightful reviewing :) Cheers, Chris On 15 February 2015 at 21:40, Robert Collins robe...@robertcollins.net wrote: Hi, I've really not been pulling my weight as a core reviewer in TripleO since late last year when personal issues really threw me for

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][tripleo] Making diskimage-builder install from forked repo?

Hi On 8 Jan 2015, at 17:37, Steven Hardy sha...@redhat.com wrote: Pretty sure there's a way to make DiB do this, but don't know what, anyone able to share some clues? Do I have to hack the elements, or is there a better way? The docs are pretty sparse, so any help would be much

Re: [openstack-dev] [heat][tripleo] Making diskimage-builder install from forked repo?

Hi On 8 Jan 2015, at 17:58, Clint Byrum cl...@fewbar.com wrote: Excerpts from Steven Hardy's message of 2015-01-08 09:37:55 -0800: So you can probably setup a devpi instance locally, and upload the commits you want to it, and then build the image with the 'pypi' element Given that we have

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Core reviewer update proposal

Hi On 5 May 2015 at 12:57, James Slagle james.sla...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to propose adding Giulio Fidente and Steve Hardy to TripleO Core. +1 I'd also like to give a heads-up to the following folks whose review activity is very low for the last 90 days: | cmsj ** |

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] diskimage-builder 1.0.0

Hey On 27 Jul 2015, at 16:22, Gregory Haynes g...@greghaynes.net wrote: I just cut the 1.0.0 release, so no going back now. Enjoy! woot! Cheers, Chris __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)

[openstack-dev] [tripleo] CI Q session at PTG - submit your questions!

Hey folks We're doing a Q session tomorrow (Friday) morning at the PTG on TripleO CI. Whether you're at the PTG or not, if you have questions/confusions about Tripleo CI, please put them in the Etherpad at: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-ptg-ci-qa -- Cheers, Chris

[openstack-dev] [release] Proposal to change the timing of Feature Freeze

Hey folks I have a fairly simple proposal to make - I'd like to suggest that Feature Freeze move to being much earlier in the release cycle (no earlier than M.1 and no later than M.2 would be my preference). In the current arrangement (looking specifically at Pike), FF is scheduled to happen 5

Re: [openstack-dev] [release] Proposal to change the timing of Feature Freeze

Hey Well, it definitely seems like there's not much support for the idea ;) Thanks everyone who replied. I'll go away and think about ways we can improve things without moving FF :) Cheers, -- Chris Jones > On 18 May 2017, at 11:18, Thierry Carrez <thie...@openstack.org> wrote: &

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

Hey On 13 December 2017 at 16:17, Thierry Carrez wrote: > self-imposed rhythm no longer matches our natural pace. It feels like we > are always running elections, feature freeze is always just around the > corner, we lose too much time to events, and generally the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

Hey On 13 December 2017 at 17:12, Jimmy McArthur wrote: > Thierry Carrez wrote: > >> - It doesn't mean that teams can only meet in-person once a year. >> Summits would still provide a venue for team members to have an >> in-person meeting. I also expect a revival of the

Re: [openstack-dev] [all] Switching to longer development cycles

Hey On 13 December 2017 at 17:31, Thierry Carrez wrote: > See attached for the PDF strawman the release team came up with when > considering how that change would roll out in practice... > [in which the final stage of the release is 8 weeks, therefore shorter than the