Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-21 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 9:16 PM, Georgy Okrokvertskhov gokrokvertsk...@mirantis.com wrote: In Murano project we do see a positive impact of BigTent model. Since Murano was accepted as a part of BigTent community we had a lot of conversations with potential users. They were driven exactly by

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-21 Thread Joe Gordon
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Joe Gordon joe.gord...@gmail.com wrote: One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is: 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve.

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-21 Thread Joe Gordon
On Mon, Jun 15, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/15/2015 06:20 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is: 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside the integrated release failing to get

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-21 Thread Joe Gordon
On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Adrian Otto adrian.o...@rackspace.com wrote: Joe, I must respectfully disagree. The statistics you used to indicate that Magnum did not benefit from joining the tent are not telling the whole story. Facts: Agreed, after looking at the numbers some more,

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-18 Thread Dmitry Tantsur
On 06/16/2015 08:16 PM, Georgy Okrokvertskhov wrote: In Murano project we do see a positive impact of BigTent model. Since Murano was accepted as a part of BigTent community we had a lot of conversations with potential users. They were driven exactly by the fact that Murano is now officially

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-18 Thread Adrian Otto
Joe, I must respectfully disagree. The statistics you used to indicate that Magnum did not benefit from joining the tent are not telling the whole story. Facts: 1) When we had our Midcycle just before joining OpenStack in March we had 24 contributors from 13 affiliations when we joined. You

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-16 Thread Georgy Okrokvertskhov
In Murano project we do see a positive impact of BigTent model. Since Murano was accepted as a part of BigTent community we had a lot of conversations with potential users. They were driven exactly by the fact that Murano is now officially recognized in OpenStack community. It might be a wrong

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-16 Thread gordon chung
i won't speak to whether this confirms/refutes the usefulness of the big tent. that said, probably as a by-product of being in non-stop meetings with sales/marketing/managers for last few days, i think there needs to be better definitions (or better publicised definitions) of what the goals of

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-16 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 16/06/15 04:39 -0400, gordon chung wrote: i won't speak to whether this confirms/refutes the usefulness of the big tent. that said, probably as a by-product of being in non-stop meetings with sales/ marketing/managers for last few days, i think there needs to be better definitions (or better

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-16 Thread Jay Pipes
You may also find my explanation about the Big Tent helpful in this interview with Niki Acosta and Jeff Dickey: http://blogs.cisco.com/cloud/ospod-29-jay-pipes Best, -jay On 06/16/2015 06:09 AM, Flavio Percoco wrote: On 16/06/15 04:39 -0400, gordon chung wrote: i won't speak to whether this

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Boris Pavlovic
Joe, When looking at stackalytics [2] for each project, we don't see any noticeably change in number of reviews, contributors, or number of commits from before and after each project joined OpenStack. I can't agree on this. *) Rally is facing core-reviewers bottleneck currently. We have

[openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Joe Gordon
One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is: 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve. Non-official projects are second- or third-class citizens which can't get development

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/15/2015 07:30 AM, Boris Pavlovic wrote: Joe, When looking at stackalytics [2] for each project, we don't see any noticeably change in number of reviews, contributors, or number of commits from before and after each project joined OpenStack. I can't agree on this. *) Rally

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Jay Pipes
On 06/15/2015 06:20 AM, Joe Gordon wrote: One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is: 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve. Non-official projects are second- or

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Flavio Percoco
On 15/06/15 19:20 +0900, Joe Gordon wrote: One of the stated problems the 'big tent' is supposed to solve is: 'The binary nature of the integrated release results in projects outside the integrated release failing to get the recognition they deserve. Non-official projects are second- or

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Thierry Carrez
Joe Gordon wrote: [...] Below is a list of the first few few projects to join OpenStack after the big tent, All of which have now been part of OpenStack for at least two months.[1] * Mangum - Tue Mar 24 20:17:36 2015 * Murano - Tue Mar 24 20:48:25 2015 * Congress - Tue Mar 31 20:24:04

Re: [openstack-dev] stackforge projects are not second class citizens

2015-06-15 Thread Rochelle Grober
I'd also like to point out that if the state of the projects has encouraged *new* contributors to OpenStack, then their contributions will likely take a couple to a few months to become visible in a significant way in the statistics. Two to three months to get your first merge is extremely