Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-10 Thread Tom Fifield
On 09/08/14 05:09, Russell Bryant wrote: On 08/06/2014 01:41 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/06/2014 01:40 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 13:30, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: What happened to

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-08 Thread Brent Eagles
On Wed, Aug 06, 2014 at 01:40:28PM +0800, Tom Fifield wrote: snip/ While DB migrations are running things like the nova metadata service can/will misbehave - and user code within instances will be affected. Thats arguably VM downtime. OTOH you could define it more narrowly as 'VMs are not

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-08 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/06/2014 01:41 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/06/2014 01:40 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 13:30, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: What happened to your DB migrations then? :) Sorry if I

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-08 Thread Chet Burgess
On Aug 8, 2014, at 14:09 , Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: On 08/06/2014 01:41 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/06/2014 01:40 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 13:30, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-06 Thread Jesse Pretorius
In many cases the users I've spoken to who are looking for a live path out of nova-network on to neutron are actually completely OK with some API service downtime (metadata service is an API service by their definition). A little 'glitch' in the network is also OK for many of them. Contrast

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-06 Thread Joe Gordon
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 03:54, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-06 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/06/2014 01:40 AM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 13:30, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: What happened to your DB migrations then? :) Sorry if I misunderstood, I thought we were talking

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-06 Thread Ed Hall
On Aug 5, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Joshua Harlow harlo...@yahoo-inc.com wrote: I'm pretty sure yahoo is another case, with a large set of clusters on nova-network still ;) I believe we have been active in these discussions, although I'm unsure what was discussed at the meetup (being that I had

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/05/2014 09:18 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future of nova-network, the topic of nova-network - Neutron migration came up. For some reason, I had been clueless about the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote on 08/05/2014 12:27:14 PM: On 08/05/2014 09:18 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future of nova-network, the topic of nova-network -

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Edgar Magana
Jay, I do agree with you on the focus areas. I believe Neutron should focus on the nova-parity (DVR) and DB migrations more than ever, instead of increasing the priority to new API such as the GBP. Actually, yesterday Neutron IRC showed the need of having a more focused work instead of picking in

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Monty Taylor
On 08/05/2014 09:34 AM, Mike Spreitzer wrote: Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote on 08/05/2014 12:27:14 PM: On 08/05/2014 09:18 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Russell Bryant
On 08/05/2014 12:18 PM, Jay Pipes wrote: Hello stackers, TC, Neutron contributors, At the Nova mid-cycle meetup last week in Oregon, during the discussion about the future of nova-network, the topic of nova-network - Neutron migration came up. For some reason, I had been clueless about

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Collins, Sean
On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in the face of other things on our plate. Perhaps those large operators that are hoping for a Nova-Network-Neutron zero-downtime live migration, could dedicate

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in the face of other things on our plate. Perhaps those large operators that are hoping for a

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Joe Gordon
On Aug 5, 2014 12:57 PM, Jay Pipes jaypi...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in the face of other things on our plate.

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Joshua Harlow
I'm pretty sure yahoo is another case, with a large set of clusters on nova-network still ;) I believe we have been active in these discussions, although I'm unsure what was discussed at the meetup (being that I had planned vacation, right now actually). Anyways I think yahoo is fine with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Fifield
On 06/08/14 03:54, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in the face of other things on our plate. Perhaps those large operators that

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Jay Pipes
On 08/05/2014 11:25 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 03:54, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the benefit in the face of other things on our

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Fifield
On 06/08/14 12:40, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/05/2014 11:25 PM, Tom Fifield wrote: On 06/08/14 03:54, Jay Pipes wrote: On 08/05/2014 03:23 PM, Collins, Sean wrote: On Tue, Aug 05, 2014 at 12:50:45PM EDT, Monty Taylor wrote: However, I think the cost to providing that path far outweighs the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 August 2014 16:57, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Note, however, that nobody is suggesting not having a migration path. I'm just suggesting relaxing the requirement that the migration from nova-network to neutron be without any downtime of instances. These users do not consider

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Fifield
On 06/08/14 13:18, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 16:57, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Note, however, that nobody is suggesting not having a migration path. I'm just suggesting relaxing the requirement that the migration from nova-network to neutron be without any downtime of

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 August 2014 17:22, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:18, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 16:57, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Note, however, that nobody is suggesting not having a migration path. I'm just suggesting relaxing the requirement that the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Fifield
On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:22, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:18, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 16:57, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: Note, however, that nobody is suggesting not having a migration path. I'm just

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Robert Collins
On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: What happened to your DB migrations then? :) Sorry if I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about running VM downtime here? While DB migrations are running things like the nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova][Neutron][Technical Committee] nova-network - Neutron. Throwing a wrench in the Neutron gap analysis

2014-08-05 Thread Tom Fifield
On 06/08/14 13:30, Robert Collins wrote: On 6 August 2014 17:27, Tom Fifield t...@openstack.org wrote: On 06/08/14 13:24, Robert Collins wrote: What happened to your DB migrations then? :) Sorry if I misunderstood, I thought we were talking about running VM downtime here? While DB