Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-05-13 Thread Sylvain Bauza
There is a good talk happening today at 2pm @ room B.206 in a Breakout session : "Divide and conquer: Resource Segregation in OpenStack" (I'm sorry, I can't provide the sched.org link, site seems to be down) -Sylvain Le 13/05/2014 11:12, Meghal Gosalia a écrit : > Is any discussion on this topi

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-05-13 Thread Meghal Gosalia
Is any discussion on this topic scheduled during the summit ? Thanks, Meghal On Apr 9, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Sylvain Bauza mailto:sylvain.ba...@gmail.com>> wrote: 2014-04-07 23:11 GMT+02:00 Sylvain Bauza mailto:sylvain.ba...@gmail.com>>: Hi Phil, 2014-04-07 18:48 GMT+02:00 Day, Phil mailto:

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > > -Original Message- > > From: Chris Friesen [mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com] > > Sent: 09 April 2014 15:37 > > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availabili

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Friesen [mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com] > Sent: 09 April 2014 15:37 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : > possible or not ? > > On 04/09/2014 0

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Sylvain Bauza
2014-04-07 23:11 GMT+02:00 Sylvain Bauza : > Hi Phil, > > > > 2014-04-07 18:48 GMT+02:00 Day, Phil : > > Hi Sylvain, >> >> >> >> There was a similar thread on this recently - which might be worth >> reviewing: >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031006.html >> >> >>

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Chris Friesen
On 04/09/2014 03:55 AM, Day, Phil wrote: I would guess that affinity is more likely to be a soft requirement that anti-affinity, in that I can see some services just not meeting their HA goals without anti-affinity but I'm struggling to think of a use case why affinity is a must for the service

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Chris Friesen [mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com] > Sent: 08 April 2014 15:19 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : > possible or not ? > > On 04/08/2014 0

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-09 Thread Day, Phil
> -Original Message- > From: Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Sent: 08 April 2014 14:25 > To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : > possible or not ? > > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:4

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Chris Friesen
On 04/08/2014 07:25 AM, Jay Pipes wrote: On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:49 +, Day, Phil wrote: On a large cloud you’re protect against this to some extent if the number of servers is >> number of instances in the quota. However it does feel that there are a couple of things missing to really prov

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > On Tue, 2014-04-08 at 10:49 +, Day, Phil wrote: > > On a large cloud you’re protect against this to some extent if the > > number of servers is >> number of instances in the quota. > > > > However it does feel that there are a couple of things missing to > > real

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
> -Message d'origine- > De : Jay Pipes [mailto:jaypi...@gmail.com] > Envoyé : mardi 8 avril 2014 15:25 > À : openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : > possible > or not ? > > On Tue

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Jay Pipes
of anti-affinity) instances that meet the affinity criteria. Best, -jay > From: Khanh-Toan Tran [mailto:khanh-toan.t...@cloudwatt.com] > Sent: 08 April 2014 11:32 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts with

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Day, Phil
for user. De : Ian Wells [mailto:ijw.ubu...@cack.org.uk] Envoyé : mardi 8 avril 2014 01:02 À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ? On 3 April 2014 08:21, Khanh-Toan Tran mailto:kha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-08 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
01:02 À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ? On 3 April 2014 08:21, Khanh-Toan Tran wrote: Otherwise we cannot provide redundancy to client except using Region which is dedicated

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-07 Thread Ian Wells
On 3 April 2014 08:21, Khanh-Toan Tran wrote: > Otherwise we cannot provide redundancy to client except using Region which > is dedicated infrastructure and networked separated and anti-affinity > filter which IMO is not pragmatic as it has tendency of abusive usage. > I'm sorry, could you explai

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-07 Thread Sylvain Bauza
for me they suggest we should develop a better concept rather > than bend the meaning of the old one. We certainly don't have hosts in more > than one AZ in HP Cloud and I think some of our users would be very > surprised if we changed that. > > > > Paul. > > >

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-07 Thread Jay Pipes
On Mon, 2014-04-07 at 16:48 +, Day, Phil wrote: > Hi Sylvain, > > There was a similar thread on this recently – which might be worth > reviewing: > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-March/031006.html > > Some interesting use cases were posted, and a I don’t think a > co

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-07 Thread Day, Phil
ut not within a set) might be useful. Phil From: Murray, Paul (HP Cloud Services) Sent: 03 April 2014 16:34 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ? Hi Sylvain, I would go with k

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-04 Thread Meghal Gosalia
I am fine with taking the approach of user passing multiple avail. zones Az1,Az2 if he wants vm to be in (intersection of AZ1 and Az2). It will be more cleaner. But, similar approach should also be used while setting the default_scheduling_zone. Since, we will not be able to add host to multipl

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-04 Thread Sylvain Bauza
2014-04-04 10:30 GMT+02:00 Sylvain Bauza : > Hi all, > > > > 2014-04-03 18:47 GMT+02:00 Meghal Gosalia : > > Hello folks, >> >> Here is the bug [1] which is currently not allowing a host to be part >> of two availability zones. >> This bug was targeted for havana. >> >> The fix in the bug was m

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-04 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Hi all, 2014-04-03 18:47 GMT+02:00 Meghal Gosalia : > Hello folks, > > Here is the bug [1] which is currently not allowing a host to be part of > two availability zones. > This bug was targeted for havana. > > The fix in the bug was made because it was assumed > that openstack does not suppo

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Meghal Gosalia
Hello folks, Here is the bug [1] which is currently not allowing a host to be part of two availability zones. This bug was targeted for havana. The fix in the bug was made because it was assumed that openstack does not support adding hosts to two zones by design. The assumption was based on the

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > Currently host aggregates are quite general, but the only ways for an > end-user to make use of them are: > > 1) By making the host aggregate an availability zones (where each host > is only supposed to be in one availability zone) and selecting it at > instance cr

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Friesen
On 04/03/2014 09:34 AM, Murray, Paul (HP Cloud Services) wrote: Hi Sylvain, I would go with keeping AZs exclusive. It is a well-established concept even if it is up to providers to implement what it actually means in terms of isolation. Some good use cases have been presented on this topic recen

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Steve Gordon
- Original Message - > Hi, > > I'm currently trying to reproduce [1]. This bug requires to have the same > host on two different aggregates, each one having an AZ. > > IIRC, Nova API prevents hosts of being part of two distinct AZs [2], so > IMHO this request should not be possible. > Tha

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Murray, Paul (HP Cloud Services)
Stack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ? +1 for AZs not sharing hosts. Because it's the only mechanism that allows us to segment the datacenter. Otherwise we cannot provide redundancy to cli

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
udi 3 avril 2014 17:22 > À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Objet : RE: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible > or not ? > > +1 for AZs not sharing hosts. > > Because it’s the only mechanism that allows us to segmen

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
;origine- > De : Chris Friesen [mailto:chris.frie...@windriver.com] > Envoyé : jeudi 3 avril 2014 16:51 > À : openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org > Objet : Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible > or not ? > > On 04/03/2014 07:51 AM

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Khanh-Toan Tran
é : jeudi 3 avril 2014 15:52 À : OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Objet : [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ? Hi, I'm currently trying to reproduce [1]. This bug requires to have the same host on two different aggrega

Re: [openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Friesen
On 04/03/2014 07:51 AM, Sylvain Bauza wrote: Hi, I'm currently trying to reproduce [1]. This bug requires to have the same host on two different aggregates, each one having an AZ. IIRC, Nova API prevents hosts of being part of two distinct AZs [2], so IMHO this request should not be possible. T

[openstack-dev] [Nova] Hosts within two Availability Zones : possible or not ?

2014-04-03 Thread Sylvain Bauza
Hi, I'm currently trying to reproduce [1]. This bug requires to have the same host on two different aggregates, each one having an AZ. IIRC, Nova API prevents hosts of being part of two distinct AZs [2], so IMHO this request should not be possible. That said, there are two flaws where I can ident