Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Giulio Fidente]

On 04/15/2015 10:46 AM, marios wrote:

On 15/04/15 00:13, James Slagle wrote:

Hi, TripleO currently has an alternate meeting time scheduled for
Wednesdays at 08:00 UTC. The alternate meeting actually hasn't
happened the last 4 occurrences that I know of [2].

Do we still need the alternate meeting time slot? I'd like to
accommodate as many people as possible to be either to attend one of
our two meeting times. The last time this came up, we tracked people's
opinions in an etherpad[3], and a doodle, which has since expired.
Maybe a good first step would be to just update your preferences in
the etherpad, so we can start to see if there's a larger group of
people we can accommodate at the alternate meeting time.


I don't think we need the alternate slot.


I added myself in the etherpad to the list of people who can stick with 
the single "primary" time slot as well

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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[marios]

On 15/04/15 00:13, James Slagle wrote:
> Hi, TripleO currently has an alternate meeting time scheduled for
> Wednesdays at 08:00 UTC. The alternate meeting actually hasn't
> happened the last 4 occurrences that I know of [2].
> 
> Do we still need the alternate meeting time slot? I'd like to
> accommodate as many people as possible to be either to attend one of
> our two meeting times. The last time this came up, we tracked people's
> opinions in an etherpad[3], and a doodle, which has since expired.
> Maybe a good first step would be to just update your preferences in
> the etherpad, so we can start to see if there's a larger group of
> people we can accommodate at the alternate meeting time.

I don't think we need the alternate slot. imo the point of the alternate
meeting time was so that everyone ends up with a 'convenient' slot and a
'inconvenient not impossible' slot so that there is at least in general
some overlap between the attendees. I think the current alternate slot
makes it ok for europe but impossible for US based folk which means it
just becomes the 'Europe and Australia' meeting so we get two
essentially disparate meetings.

thanks, marios

I used [1] as a reference, in case it is useful for anyone else

[1]
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20150415&p2=37&p3=179&p4=137&p5=57&p6=196


> 
> Keep in mind we also need 1 or 2 people to volunteer to run the
> alternate meeting :).
> 
> [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO
> [2] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/
> [3] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
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[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Slagle]

Hi, TripleO currently has an alternate meeting time scheduled for
Wednesdays at 08:00 UTC. The alternate meeting actually hasn't
happened the last 4 occurrences that I know of [2].

Do we still need the alternate meeting time slot? I'd like to
accommodate as many people as possible to be either to attend one of
our two meeting times. The last time this came up, we tracked people's
opinions in an etherpad[3], and a doodle, which has since expired.
Maybe a good first step would be to just update your preferences in
the etherpad, so we can start to see if there's a larger group of
people we can accommodate at the alternate meeting time.

Keep in mind we also need 1 or 2 people to volunteer to run the
alternate meeting :).

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO
[2] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tripleo/2015/
[3] https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time

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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Clint Byrum]

Excerpts from marios's message of 2014-12-04 02:40:23 -0800:
> On 04/12/14 11:40, James Polley wrote:
> > Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've
> > had 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC
> > - 7 "yes" and one "If I have to".
> 
> for me it currently shows 1200 UTC as the preferred time.
> 
> So to be clear, we are voting here for the alternate meeting. The
> 'original' meeting is at 1900UTC. If in fact 2100UTC ends up being the
> most popular, what would be the point of an alternating meeting that is
> only 2 hours apart in time?
> 

Actually that's a good point. I didn't really think about it before I
voted, but the regular time is perfect for me, so perhaps I should
remove my vote, and anyone else who does not need the alternate time
should consider doing so as well.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Sullivan, Jon Paul]

From: James Polley [mailto:j...@jamezpolley.com]
Sent: 04 December 2014 17:17
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On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 AM, marios 
mailto:mar...@redhat.com>> wrote:
On 04/12/14 11:40, James Polley wrote:
> Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've
> had 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC
> - 7 "yes" and one "If I have to".

for me it currently shows 1200 UTC as the preferred time.

You're the 11th responder :) And yes, 1200/1400/1500 are now all leading  with 
8/0/3.

So to be clear, we are voting here for the alternate meeting. The
'original' meeting is at 1900UTC. If in fact 2100UTC ends up being the
most popular, what would be the point of an alternating meeting that is
only 2 hours apart in time?

To me the point would be to get more people able to come along to the meeting. 
But if the difference *was* that small, I'd be wanting to ask if changing the 
format or content of the meeting could convince more people to join the 1900UTC 
meeting - I think that having just one meeting for the whole team would be 
preferable, if we could manage it.

But at present, it looks like if we want to maximise attendance, we should be 
focusing on European early afternoon. That unfortunately means that it's going 
to be very hard for those of us in Australia/New Zealand/China/Japan to make it 
- 1400UTC is 1am Sydney, 10pm Beijing. It's 7:30pm New Delhi, which might be 
doable, but I don't know of anyone working there who would regularly attend.


[JP]  - how about we rethink both meeting times then?  19:00 UTC seems like a 
time that is convenient for only one timezone, and ideally each meeting time 
should at least be convenient for 2 major geographies.  If 15:00 UTC were one 
meeting, that should be a time convenient for all of Europe, and also ok back 
as far back as the USA West coast.  Then a meeting up at 21:00 UTC should cover 
most of Australasia and also provide a good alternate time through to the US 
East coast.

Even if those aren’t the 2 times chosen, maybe that is the thinking we need 
here?

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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Polley]

On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 11:40 AM, marios  wrote:

> On 04/12/14 11:40, James Polley wrote:
> > Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've
> > had 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC
> > - 7 "yes" and one "If I have to".
>
> for me it currently shows 1200 UTC as the preferred time.
>

You're the 11th responder :) And yes, 1200/1400/1500 are now all leading
 with 8/0/3.

>
> So to be clear, we are voting here for the alternate meeting. The
> 'original' meeting is at 1900UTC. If in fact 2100UTC ends up being the
> most popular, what would be the point of an alternating meeting that is
> only 2 hours apart in time?
>

To me the point would be to get more people able to come along to the
meeting. But if the difference *was* that small, I'd be wanting to ask if
changing the format or content of the meeting could convince more people to
join the 1900UTC meeting - I think that having just one meeting for the
whole team would be preferable, if we could manage it.

But at present, it looks like if we want to maximise attendance, we should
be focusing on European early afternoon. That unfortunately means that it's
going to be very hard for those of us in Australia/New Zealand/China/Japan
to make it - 1400UTC is 1am Sydney, 10pm Beijing. It's 7:30pm New Delhi,
which might be doable, but I don't know of anyone working there who would
regularly attend.

>
>
>
> >
> > ... but the 2 people who can't make that time work in UTC or CET.
> > Finding a time that includes those people rules out people who work in
> > Eastern Australia and New Zealand. Purely in terms of getting the
> > biggest numbers in, Monday 2100UTC seems like the most workable time so
> far.
> >
>
>
>
> > On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Derek Higgins  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 02/12/14 15:12, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> > > On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:
> > >> On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
> > >>> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to
> > something that
> > >>> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at
> > 0700UTC.
> > >>> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few
> > people in
> > >>> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes
> > happened,
> > >>> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about
> > what time
> > >>> the meeting is at..
> > >>>
> > >>> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the
> last ~3
> > >>> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans,
> > but it
> > >>> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a
> few
> > >>> people.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> > >>> created
> > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> > >>> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might
> > work well
> > >>> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people
> have
> > >>> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time
> > that
> > >>> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise
> > attendance
> > >>> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> > >>>
> > >>> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting,
> > please
> > >>> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for
> > which
> > >>> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast
> your
> > >>> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly"
> > meeting)
> > >>> works better for you!
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each
> > hour
> > >> in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options
> > >
> > > I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it
> to
> > > just a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide
> on
> > > the day as that probably won't count much so long as it is a
> weekday I
> > > suppose
> >
> > I think leaving the whole week in there is better, some people may
> have
> > different schedules on different weekdays, me for example ;-)
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[marios]

On 04/12/14 11:40, James Polley wrote:
> Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've
> had 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC
> - 7 "yes" and one "If I have to".

for me it currently shows 1200 UTC as the preferred time.

So to be clear, we are voting here for the alternate meeting. The
'original' meeting is at 1900UTC. If in fact 2100UTC ends up being the
most popular, what would be the point of an alternating meeting that is
only 2 hours apart in time?



> 
> ... but the 2 people who can't make that time work in UTC or CET.
> Finding a time that includes those people rules out people who work in
> Eastern Australia and New Zealand. Purely in terms of getting the
> biggest numbers in, Monday 2100UTC seems like the most workable time so far.
> 



> On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Derek Higgins  > wrote:
> 
> On 02/12/14 15:12, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> > On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:
> >> On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
> >>> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to
> something that
> >>> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at
> 0700UTC.
> >>> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few
> people in
> >>> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes
> happened,
> >>> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about
> what time
> >>> the meeting is at..
> >>>
> >>> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
> >>> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans,
> but it
> >>> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> >>> created
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> >>> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might
> work well
> >>> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
> >>> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time
> that
> >>> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise
> attendance
> >>> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> >>>
> >>> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting,
> please
> >>> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for
> which
> >>> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
> >>> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly"
> meeting)
> >>> works better for you!
> >>
> >>
> >> Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each
> hour
> >> in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options
> >
> > I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it to
> > just a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide on
> > the day as that probably won't count much so long as it is a weekday I
> > suppose
> 
> I think leaving the whole week in there is better, some people may have
> different schedules on different weekdays, me for example ;-)
> 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Dougal Matthews]

- Original Message -
> From: "James Polley" 
> To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" 
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> Sent: Thursday, 4 December, 2014 9:40:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time
> 
> Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've had
> 10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC - 7
> "yes" and one "If I have to".
> 
> ... but the 2 people who can't make that time work in UTC or CET. Finding a
> time that includes those people rules out people who work in Eastern
> Australia and New Zealand. Purely in terms of getting the biggest numbers
> in, Monday 2100UTC seems like the most workable time so far.

Yeah, one of those people is me. I realise I'm not that flexible, so it's 
fine if I can't make it. However, I'm still generally +1 to having 
alternating meeting times.

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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Polley]

Just taking a look at http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654 again - we've had
10 people respond so far. The winning time so far is Monday 2100UTC - 7
"yes" and one "If I have to".

... but the 2 people who can't make that time work in UTC or CET. Finding a
time that includes those people rules out people who work in Eastern
Australia and New Zealand. Purely in terms of getting the biggest numbers
in, Monday 2100UTC seems like the most workable time so far.

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Derek Higgins  wrote:

> On 02/12/14 15:12, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> > On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:
> >> On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
> >>> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something
> that
> >>> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
> >>> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
> >>> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
> >>> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
> >>> the meeting is at..
> >>>
> >>> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
> >>> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
> >>> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> >>> created
> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> >>> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
> >>> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
> >>> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
> >>> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise
> attendance
> >>> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> >>>
> >>> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
> >>> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
> >>> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
> >>> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
> >>> works better for you!
> >>
> >>
> >> Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each hour
> >> in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options
> >
> > I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it to
> > just a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide on
> > the day as that probably won't count much so long as it is a weekday I
> > suppose
>
> I think leaving the whole week in there is better, some people may have
> different schedules on different weekdays, me for example ;-)
>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Polley]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 4:12 PM, Giulio Fidente  wrote:

> On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:
>
>> On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
>>
>>> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
>>> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
>>> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
>>> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
>>> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
>>> the meeting is at..
>>>
>>> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
>>> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
>>> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few
>>> people.
>>>
>>> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
>>> created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
>>> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
>>> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
>>> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
>>> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
>>> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
>>>
>>> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
>>> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
>>> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
>>> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
>>> works better for you!
>>>
>>
>>
>> Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each hour
>> in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options
>>
>
> I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it to just
> a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide on the day as
> that probably won't count much so long as it is a weekday I suppose


*hand-waggle*

I thought that at first too, but then I remembered that I had regular
commitments on thursday nights all of last year, but this year it's shifted
to wednesday night. I'd prefer to keep those nights more free than other
nights, if I can.


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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Derek Higgins]

On 02/12/14 15:12, Giulio Fidente wrote:
> On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:
>> On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
>>> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
>>> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
>>> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
>>> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
>>> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
>>> the meeting is at..
>>>
>>> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
>>> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
>>> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few
>>> people.
>>>
>>> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
>>> created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
>>> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
>>> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
>>> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
>>> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
>>> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
>>>
>>> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
>>> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
>>> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
>>> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
>>> works better for you!
>>
>>
>> Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each hour
>> in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options
> 
> I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it to
> just a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide on
> the day as that probably won't count much so long as it is a weekday I
> suppose

I think leaving the whole week in there is better, some people may have
different schedules on different weekdays, me for example ;-)


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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Polley]

On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 3:22 PM, marios  wrote:

> On 02/12/14 16:10, James Polley wrote:
> > Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
> > was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
> > That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
> > Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
> > and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
> > the meeting is at..
> >
> > The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
> > meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
> > seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few
> people.
> >
> > So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> > created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> > as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
> > for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
> > different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
> > works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
> > (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> >
> > If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
> > take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
> > time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
> > vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
> > works better for you!
>
> slight clarification - are we discussing which time would suit best for
> the alternative meeting, or that we are scrapping the alternate, and
> re-voting for the best main meeting time. In either case the proposed
> times are still mostly not EU friendly (I guess the 1800 UTC would be ok
> for UK),
>
> thanks, marios
>

I was only intending to talk about the best time for the alternate meeting.

The main/US/original meeting time still seems to have been fairly well
attended lately, aside from the interruption due to summit; I haven't been
aware of any meetings that got abandoned or shortened due to lack of
participants in that timezone (except for the week of summit), and I
haven't heard anyone in that meeting talking about how hard it is for them
to make the meeting.

But perhaps I'm not hearing the people who'd like to be at that meeting -
maybe because they can't *be* at the meeting to be heard?

Derek has suggested a Doodle poll to help us look at which hours across the
week people would find it possible to make the meeting - I think the data
it gathers would help us figure out if it's worth considering moving the US
meeting time as well.

If there are other people who'd like to move the time of the US meeting so
they can make it, now is probably a good time to speak up!


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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Giulio Fidente]

On 12/02/2014 03:45 PM, Derek Higgins wrote:

On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:

Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
the meeting is at..

The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few people.

So, instead of trying things at random, I've
created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
(and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.

If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
works better for you!



Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each hour
in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options


I think it is great, but would be even better if we could trim it to 
just a *single* day and once we agreed on the timeframe, we decide on 
the day as that probably won't count much so long as it is a weekday I 
suppose


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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[Derek Higgins]

On 02/12/14 14:10, James Polley wrote:
> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
> the meeting is at..
> 
> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few people.
> 
> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> 
> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
> works better for you! 


Can I suggest an alternative data gathering method, I've put each hour
in a week in a poll, for each slot you have 3 options

Yes, If needs be and no

if we all were to fill in this poll with what suits each of us we should
easily see the overlaps,

I just picked a week, ignore the dates, Assume times are UTC. Any
thoughts on this? I think it would allow us to explore all options
available.

http://doodle.com/27ffgkdm5gxzr654


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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[marios]

On 02/12/14 16:10, James Polley wrote:
> Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
> was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC.
> That worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in
> Europe, so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened,
> and wiki pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time
> the meeting is at..
> 
> The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
> meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
> seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few people.
> 
> So, instead of trying things at random, I've
> created https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time
> as a starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well
> for the most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have
> different schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that
> works well for everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance
> (and minimise inconvenience) as much as we can.
> 
> If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please
> take a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which
> time works best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your
> vote if the UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting)
> works better for you! 

slight clarification - are we discussing which time would suit best for
the alternative meeting, or that we are scrapping the alternate, and
re-voting for the best main meeting time. In either case the proposed
times are still mostly not EU friendly (I guess the 1800 UTC would be ok
for UK),

thanks, marios

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[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Alternate meeting time

[James Polley]

Months ago, I pushed for us to alternate meeting times to something that
was friendlier to me, so we started doing alternate weeks at 0700UTC. That
worked well for me, but wasn't working so well for a few people in Europe,
so we decided to give 0800UTC a try. Then DST changes happened, and wiki
pages got out of sync, and there was confusion about what time the meeting
is at..

The alternate meeting hasn't been very well attended for the last ~3
meetings. Partly I think that's due to summit and travel plans, but it
seems like the 0800UTC time doesn't work very well for quite a few people.

So, instead of trying things at random, I've created
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/tripleo-alternate-meeting-time as a
starting point for figuring out what meeting time might work well for the
most people. Obviously the world is round, and people have different
schedules, and we're never going to get a meeting time that works well for
everyone - but it'd be nice to try to maximise attendance (and minimise
inconvenience) as much as we can.

If you regularly attend, or would like to attend, the meeting, please take
a moment to look at the etherpad to register your vote for which time works
best for you. There's even a section for you to cast your vote if the
UTC1900 meeting (aka the "main" or "US-Friendly" meeting) works better for
you!
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