Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Ben Nemec]

On 09/09/2016 10:28 AM, Liz Blanchard wrote:



On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Ben Nemec > wrote:

On 08/10/2016 11:05 AM, Liz Blanchard wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ben Nemec 
> >> wrote:
>
> On 08/08/2016 09:22 PM, Dan Prince wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
> >> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
> >> hesitant
> >> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
> >> I've
> >> used it to generate templates for a number of different 
environments,
> >> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another 
demo
> >> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
> >> details on my blog:
> >>
http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-g 

>
> >> enerator
> >>
> >> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video 
itself.
> >> Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own 
network
> > configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.
> >
> > Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
> > somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
> > releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.
>
> Yeah, my assumption is that at some point the UI will have similar
> functionality.  Ideally the UI would replace this entirely, but I
> suspect that's a ways off and we'll have to see how it plays out for
> people doing CLI installs.
>
>
> Speaking of which...I'd love to work closely with you, Ben, to put
> together a wireframe design for the TripleO UI to support something like
> what you've done here. It looks awesome and I'd love to understand the
> use cases a bit more and how it might work into the current UI flow.
>
> I do have a first draft of a design that allows for some network
> configuration that I'd love to get folks thoughts on:
> https://invis.io/UM87J4NBQ
>
> Of course, as you mention, this would be something that is looking into
> the future for the UI but it would be awesome to start now with
> wireframes :)

Sure, I'm happy to provide whatever input I can.  We'll probably want to
include Dan Sneddon in those discussions as well.  He had a lot of good
feedback on the early versions of this tool.

In general, I'm pretty happy with how the tool's UI works.  The one big
thing missing is an overview diagram of what's been configured.  The
multi-pane layout keeps the view simple since you can only drill down
one path at a time, but it does make it hard to see the big picture
sometimes.  I think I actually saw a mockup of a network visualization
you had done a while back that would potentially have filled this gap
nicely.

I'm not really a web UI developer (and I'm pointedly not looking at
http://ucw-bnemec.rhcloud.com/ ;-) so I don't know how everything in my
tool will map to that, but I could probably write up some user stories
that I was trying to address.  I can also tell you what I specifically
did not intend to support, because I lost some time designing for stuff
that Dan ultimately told me we didn't need to worry about.

I'm out on PTO next week, so it may be after that before I have a chance
to follow-up, but I'll add it to the TODO list. :-)


Ben,

I hope you had a good PTO. Sorry it's taken me a little while to follow
up, but I wanted to share some ideas I've put together around
translating the tool you've built into some UI components within the
TripleO UI. If you have some time check out the workflow I've started
around Network Configuration:
https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/UM87J4NBQ


Specifically pages 8-11 show how a user could view and edit Network
Isolation configuration options as you've allowed in the tool you wrote.

This is still an early draft so please feel free to make any comments or
suggestions on how to change and improve this for users :)


I've been a little swamped since I got back myself, so I'm just getting 
back to this.


I left a few comments on the screens, but mostly it looks reasonable to 
me.  I also wrote up something about the standalone tool here: 

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Liz Blanchard]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:10 PM, Ben Nemec  wrote:

> On 08/10/2016 11:05 AM, Liz Blanchard wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ben Nemec  > > wrote:
> >
> > On 08/08/2016 09:22 PM, Dan Prince wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
> > >> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
> > >> hesitant
> > >> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
> > >> I've
> > >> used it to generate templates for a number of different
> environments,
> > >> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another
> demo
> > >> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
> > >> details on my blog:
> > >> http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-t
> emplate-g  template-g>
> > >> enerator
> > >>
> > >> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video
> itself.
> > >> Let me know what you think.
> > >
> > > Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own
> network
> > > configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.
> > >
> > > Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
> > > somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
> > > releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.
> >
> > Yeah, my assumption is that at some point the UI will have similar
> > functionality.  Ideally the UI would replace this entirely, but I
> > suspect that's a ways off and we'll have to see how it plays out for
> > people doing CLI installs.
> >
> >
> > Speaking of which...I'd love to work closely with you, Ben, to put
> > together a wireframe design for the TripleO UI to support something like
> > what you've done here. It looks awesome and I'd love to understand the
> > use cases a bit more and how it might work into the current UI flow.
> >
> > I do have a first draft of a design that allows for some network
> > configuration that I'd love to get folks thoughts on:
> > https://invis.io/UM87J4NBQ
> >
> > Of course, as you mention, this would be something that is looking into
> > the future for the UI but it would be awesome to start now with
> > wireframes :)
>
> Sure, I'm happy to provide whatever input I can.  We'll probably want to
> include Dan Sneddon in those discussions as well.  He had a lot of good
> feedback on the early versions of this tool.
>
> In general, I'm pretty happy with how the tool's UI works.  The one big
> thing missing is an overview diagram of what's been configured.  The
> multi-pane layout keeps the view simple since you can only drill down
> one path at a time, but it does make it hard to see the big picture
> sometimes.  I think I actually saw a mockup of a network visualization
> you had done a while back that would potentially have filled this gap
> nicely.
>
> I'm not really a web UI developer (and I'm pointedly not looking at
> http://ucw-bnemec.rhcloud.com/ ;-) so I don't know how everything in my
> tool will map to that, but I could probably write up some user stories
> that I was trying to address.  I can also tell you what I specifically
> did not intend to support, because I lost some time designing for stuff
> that Dan ultimately told me we didn't need to worry about.
>
> I'm out on PTO next week, so it may be after that before I have a chance
> to follow-up, but I'll add it to the TODO list. :-)
>

Ben,

I hope you had a good PTO. Sorry it's taken me a little while to follow up,
but I wanted to share some ideas I've put together around translating the
tool you've built into some UI components within the TripleO UI. If you
have some time check out the workflow I've started around Network
Configuration:
https://openstack.invisionapp.com/share/UM87J4NBQ

Specifically pages 8-11 show how a user could view and edit Network
Isolation configuration options as you've allowed in the tool you wrote.

This is still an early draft so please feel free to make any comments or
suggestions on how to change and improve this for users :)

Thanks,
Liz


>
> >
> > Thanks for sharing this,
> > Liz
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> -Ben
> > >>
> > >> 
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> >
> > 

Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Ben Nemec]

On 08/10/2016 11:05 AM, Liz Blanchard wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ben Nemec  > wrote:
> 
> On 08/08/2016 09:22 PM, Dan Prince wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
> >> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
> >> hesitant
> >> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
> >> I've
> >> used it to generate templates for a number of different environments,
> >> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another demo
> >> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
> >> details on my blog:
> >> http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-g 
> 
> >> enerator
> >>
> >> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video itself.
> >> Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own network
> > configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.
> >
> > Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
> > somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
> > releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.
> 
> Yeah, my assumption is that at some point the UI will have similar
> functionality.  Ideally the UI would replace this entirely, but I
> suspect that's a ways off and we'll have to see how it plays out for
> people doing CLI installs.
> 
> 
> Speaking of which...I'd love to work closely with you, Ben, to put
> together a wireframe design for the TripleO UI to support something like
> what you've done here. It looks awesome and I'd love to understand the
> use cases a bit more and how it might work into the current UI flow.
> 
> I do have a first draft of a design that allows for some network
> configuration that I'd love to get folks thoughts on:
> https://invis.io/UM87J4NBQ
> 
> Of course, as you mention, this would be something that is looking into
> the future for the UI but it would be awesome to start now with
> wireframes :)

Sure, I'm happy to provide whatever input I can.  We'll probably want to
include Dan Sneddon in those discussions as well.  He had a lot of good
feedback on the early versions of this tool.

In general, I'm pretty happy with how the tool's UI works.  The one big
thing missing is an overview diagram of what's been configured.  The
multi-pane layout keeps the view simple since you can only drill down
one path at a time, but it does make it hard to see the big picture
sometimes.  I think I actually saw a mockup of a network visualization
you had done a while back that would potentially have filled this gap
nicely.

I'm not really a web UI developer (and I'm pointedly not looking at
http://ucw-bnemec.rhcloud.com/ ;-) so I don't know how everything in my
tool will map to that, but I could probably write up some user stories
that I was trying to address.  I can also tell you what I specifically
did not intend to support, because I lost some time designing for stuff
that Dan ultimately told me we didn't need to worry about.

I'm out on PTO next week, so it may be after that before I have a chance
to follow-up, but I'll add it to the TODO list. :-)

> 
> Thanks for sharing this,
> Liz
>  
> 
> 
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> -Ben
> >>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Liz Blanchard]

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 11:52 AM, Ben Nemec  wrote:

> On 08/08/2016 09:22 PM, Dan Prince wrote:
> > On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
> >> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
> >> hesitant
> >> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
> >> I've
> >> used it to generate templates for a number of different environments,
> >> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another demo
> >> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
> >> details on my blog:
> >> http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-g
> >> enerator
> >>
> >> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video itself.
> >> Let me know what you think.
> >
> > Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own network
> > configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.
> >
> > Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
> > somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
> > releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.
>
> Yeah, my assumption is that at some point the UI will have similar
> functionality.  Ideally the UI would replace this entirely, but I
> suspect that's a ways off and we'll have to see how it plays out for
> people doing CLI installs.
>

Speaking of which...I'd love to work closely with you, Ben, to put together
a wireframe design for the TripleO UI to support something like what you've
done here. It looks awesome and I'd love to understand the use cases a bit
more and how it might work into the current UI flow.

I do have a first draft of a design that allows for some network
configuration that I'd love to get folks thoughts on:
https://invis.io/UM87J4NBQ

Of course, as you mention, this would be something that is looking into the
future for the UI but it would be awesome to start now with wireframes :)

Thanks for sharing this,
Liz


>
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> -Ben
> >>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Ben Nemec]

On 08/08/2016 09:22 PM, Dan Prince wrote:
> On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
>> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
>> hesitant
>> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
>> I've
>> used it to generate templates for a number of different environments,
>> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another demo
>> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
>> details on my blog:
>> http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-g
>> enerator
>>
>> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video itself.
>> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own network
> configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.
> 
> Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
> somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
> releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.

Yeah, my assumption is that at some point the UI will have similar
functionality.  Ideally the UI would replace this entirely, but I
suspect that's a ways off and we'll have to see how it plays out for
people doing CLI installs.

> 
> Dan
> 
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -Ben
>>
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Re: [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Dan Prince]

On Mon, 2016-08-08 at 15:42 -0500, Ben Nemec wrote:
> This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been
> hesitant
> to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point
> I've
> used it to generate templates for a number of different environments,
> and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another demo
> and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
> details on my blog:
> http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-g
> enerator
> 
> Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video itself.
> Let me know what you think.

Very cool. For those that don't like "hand cutting" their own network
configuration templates this is a good CLI based generator.

Like you mention it would be nice to eventually converge this tool
somehow into both the UI and CLI but given that it works with older
releases as well it makes sense that it is CLI only for now.

Dan

> 
> Thanks.
> 
> -Ben
> 
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[openstack-dev] [TripleO] Network Template Generator

[Ben Nemec]

This is something that has existed for a while, but I had been hesitant
to evangelize it until it was a little more proven.  At this point I've
used it to generate templates for a number of different environments,
and it has worked well.  I decided it was time to record another demo
and throw it out there for the broader community to look at.  See
details on my blog:
http://blog.nemebean.com/content/tripleo-network-isolation-template-generator

Most of what you need to know is either there or in the video itself.
Let me know what you think.

Thanks.

-Ben

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