Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 7:39 PM, Morgan Fainbergwrote: > On Dec 1, 2016 8:25 AM, "Andrey Kurilin" wrote: > > > > As I replied at IRC, please do not mix two separate issues! > > Yes, we have several scenarios which are not support keystone v3 yet. It > is an issue, but it is unrelated issue to described in the first mail. > > We have a job which is configured with proper IDENTITY_API_VERSION flag > and should be launched against Keystone v2, but there is only keystone v3 > and it is a real issue. > > > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 at 17:48, Lance Bragstad wrote: > >> > >> FWIW - i'm seeing a common error in several of the rally failures [0] > [1] [2] [3]. Dims also pointed out a few bugs in rally for keystone v3 > support [4]. > >> > >> I checked with the folks in #openstack-containers to see if they were > experiencing anymore fallout, but it looks like the magnum gate is under > control [5]. We're currently in #openstack-keystone talking through options > for the rally situation in case anyone feels like joining. > >> > >> > >> [0] http://logs.openstack.org/87/404887/4/check/gate-rally- > dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/ff60a83/console.html#_ > 2016-12-01_08_05_55_268772 > >> [1] http://logs.openstack.org/43/405143/3/check/gate-rally- > dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/3ee975b/console.html#_ > 2016-12-01_08_39_02_618302 > >> [2] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally- > dsvm-cli/af28c0f/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_09_19_584427 > >> [3] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally- > dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/26cd009/console.html#_ > 2016-12-01_14_15_17_147016 > >> [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally?field.searchtext=keystone+v3 > >> [5] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-containers/% > 23openstack-containers.2016-12-01.log.html#t2016-12-01T14:57:00 > >> > >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Spyros Trigazis > wrote: > >>> > >>> I think for magnum we are OK. > >>> > >>> This job [1] finished using keystone v3 [2] > >>> > >>> Spyros > >>> > >>> [1] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate- > functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/ > >>> [2] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate- > functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/logs/devstacklog.txt. > gz#_2016-12-01_11_32_58_033 > >>> > >>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:26, Davanum Srinivas > wrote: > > It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. > > -1 for Any revert! > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack > http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 > https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project: > openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 > > Thanks, > Dims > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilin > wrote: > > Hi folks! > > > > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. > > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other > project was > > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select > Keystone API > > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION > > variable doesn't work [1] ). > > > > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on > comment to > > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for > checking > > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became > redundant. > > > > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . > > > > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! > > > > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 > > [1] - > > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/ > master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 > > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Andrey Kurilin. > > > > > __ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject: > unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > -- > Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims > > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject: > unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > __ > >>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > >>> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject: >
Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
On Dec 1, 2016 8:25 AM, "Andrey Kurilin"wrote: > > As I replied at IRC, please do not mix two separate issues! > Yes, we have several scenarios which are not support keystone v3 yet. It is an issue, but it is unrelated issue to described in the first mail. > We have a job which is configured with proper IDENTITY_API_VERSION flag and should be launched against Keystone v2, but there is only keystone v3 and it is a real issue. > > On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 at 17:48, Lance Bragstad wrote: >> >> FWIW - i'm seeing a common error in several of the rally failures [0] [1] [2] [3]. Dims also pointed out a few bugs in rally for keystone v3 support [4]. >> >> I checked with the folks in #openstack-containers to see if they were experiencing anymore fallout, but it looks like the magnum gate is under control [5]. We're currently in #openstack-keystone talking through options for the rally situation in case anyone feels like joining. >> >> >> [0] http://logs.openstack.org/87/404887/4/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/ff60a83/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_05_55_268772 >> [1] http://logs.openstack.org/43/405143/3/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/3ee975b/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_39_02_618302 >> [2] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-cli/af28c0f/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_09_19_584427 >> [3] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/26cd009/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_15_17_147016 >> [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally?field.searchtext=keystone+v3 >> [5] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-containers/%23openstack-containers.2016-12-01.log.html#t2016-12-01T14:57:00 >> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Spyros Trigazis wrote: >>> >>> I think for magnum we are OK. >>> >>> This job [1] finished using keystone v3 [2] >>> >>> Spyros >>> >>> [1] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/ >>> [2] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-12-01_11_32_58_033 >>> >>> On 1 December 2016 at 12:26, Davanum Srinivas wrote: It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. -1 for Any revert! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 Thanks, Dims On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilin wrote: > Hi folks! > > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project was > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone API > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION > variable doesn't work [1] ). > > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on comment to > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became redundant. > > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . > > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! > > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 > [1] - > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 > > -- > Best regards, > Andrey Kurilin. > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >>> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >>> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >>> >> >> __ >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >>
Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
As I replied at IRC, please do not mix two separate issues! Yes, we have several scenarios which are not support keystone v3 yet. It is an issue, but it is unrelated issue to described in the first mail. We have a job which is configured with proper IDENTITY_API_VERSION flag and should be launched against Keystone v2, but there is only keystone v3 and it is a real issue. On Thu, 1 Dec 2016 at 17:48, Lance Bragstadwrote: > FWIW - i'm seeing a common error in several of the rally failures [0] [1] > [2] [3]. Dims also pointed out a few bugs in rally for keystone v3 support > [4]. > > I checked with the folks in #openstack-containers to see if they were > experiencing anymore fallout, but it looks like the magnum gate is under > control [5]. We're currently in #openstack-keystone talking through options > for the rally situation in case anyone feels like joining. > > > [0] > http://logs.openstack.org/87/404887/4/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/ff60a83/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_05_55_268772 > [1] > http://logs.openstack.org/43/405143/3/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/3ee975b/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_39_02_618302 > [2] > http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-cli/af28c0f/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_09_19_584427 > [3] > http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/26cd009/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_15_17_147016 > [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally?field.searchtext=keystone+v3 > [5] > http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-containers/%23openstack-containers.2016-12-01.log.html#t2016-12-01T14:57:00 > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Spyros Trigazis > wrote: > > I think for magnum we are OK. > > This job [1] finished using keystone v3 [2] > > Spyros > > [1] > http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/ > [2] > http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-12-01_11_32_58_033 > > On 1 December 2016 at 12:26, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > > It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. > > -1 for Any revert! > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack > http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 > > https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 > > Thanks, > Dims > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilin > wrote: > > Hi folks! > > > > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. > > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project > was > > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone > API > > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION > > variable doesn't work [1] ). > > > > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on > comment to > > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking > > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became > redundant. > > > > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . > > > > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! > > > > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 > > [1] - > > > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 > > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Andrey Kurilin. > > > > > __ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: > openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > -- > Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe
Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
FWIW - i'm seeing a common error in several of the rally failures [0] [1] [2] [3]. Dims also pointed out a few bugs in rally for keystone v3 support [4]. I checked with the folks in #openstack-containers to see if they were experiencing anymore fallout, but it looks like the magnum gate is under control [5]. We're currently in #openstack-keystone talking through options for the rally situation in case anyone feels like joining. [0] http://logs.openstack.org/87/404887/4/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/ff60a83/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_05_55_268772 [1] http://logs.openstack.org/43/405143/3/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/3ee975b/console.html#_2016-12-01_08_39_02_618302 [2] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-cli/af28c0f/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_09_19_584427 [3] http://logs.openstack.org/83/394583/26/check/gate-rally-dsvm-neutron-existing-users-rally/26cd009/console.html#_2016-12-01_14_15_17_147016 [4] https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally?field.searchtext=keystone+v3 [5] http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-containers/%23openstack-containers.2016-12-01.log.html#t2016-12-01T14:57:00 On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 6:39 AM, Spyros Trigaziswrote: > I think for magnum we are OK. > > This job [1] finished using keystone v3 [2] > > Spyros > > [1] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate- > functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/ > [2] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate- > functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/logs/devstacklog.txt. > gz#_2016-12-01_11_32_58_033 > > On 1 December 2016 at 12:26, Davanum Srinivas wrote: > >> It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. >> >> -1 for Any revert! >> >> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack >> http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 >> https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:opens >> tack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 >> >> Thanks, >> Dims >> >> On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilin >> wrote: >> > Hi folks! >> > >> > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. >> > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project >> was >> > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone >> API >> > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION >> > variable doesn't work [1] ). >> > >> > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on >> comment to >> > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking >> > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became >> redundant. >> > >> > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . >> > >> > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! >> > >> > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 >> > [1] - >> > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/maste >> r/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 >> > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 >> > >> > -- >> > Best regards, >> > Andrey Kurilin. >> > >> > >> __ >> > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.op >> enstack.org?subject:unsubscribe >> > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims >> >> >> __ >> OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) >> Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscrib >> e >> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev >> > > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
I think for magnum we are OK. This job [1] finished using keystone v3 [2] Spyros [1] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/ [2] http://logs.openstack.org/93/400593/9/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-api/93e8c14/logs/devstacklog.txt.gz#_2016-12-01_11_32_58_033 On 1 December 2016 at 12:26, Davanum Srinivaswrote: > It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. > > -1 for Any revert! > > https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack > http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 > https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project: > openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 > > Thanks, > Dims > > On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilin > wrote: > > Hi folks! > > > > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. > > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project > was > > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone > API > > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION > > variable doesn't work [1] ). > > > > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on > comment to > > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking > > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became > redundant. > > > > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . > > > > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! > > > > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 > > [1] - > > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/ > master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 > > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 > > > > -- > > Best regards, > > Andrey Kurilin. > > > > > __ > > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject: > unsubscribe > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > > > -- > Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
It has taken years to get here with a lot of work from many folks. -1 for Any revert! https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/v3-only-devstack http://markmail.org/message/aqq7itdom36omnf6 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:merged+project:openstack-dev/devstack+branch:master+topic:bp/keystonev3 Thanks, Dims On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 5:38 AM, Andrey Kurilinwrote: > Hi folks! > > Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. > Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project was > unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone API > version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION > variable doesn't work [1] ). > > Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on comment to > [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking > compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became redundant. > > That is why I submitted a revert [2] . > > PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! > > [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 > [1] - > https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 > [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 > > -- > Best regards, > Andrey Kurilin. > > __ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Davanum Srinivas :: https://twitter.com/dims __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
[openstack-dev] [keystone][devstack][rally][python-novaclient][magnum] switching to keystone v3 by default
Hi folks! Today devstack team decided to switch to keystone v3 by default[0]. Imo, it is important thing, but it was made in silent, so other project was unable to prepare to that change. Also, proposed way to select Keystone API version via devstack configuration doesn't work(IDENTITY_API_VERSION variable doesn't work [1] ). Switching to keystone v3 broke at least Rally and Magnum(based on comment to [0]) gates. Also, python-novaclient has two separate jobs for checking compatibility with keystone V2 and V3. One of these jobs became redundant. That is why I submitted a revert [2] . PS: Please, do not make such changes in silent! [0] - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386183 [1] - https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/rally.yaml#L70-L74 [2] - https://review.openstack.org/405264 -- Best regards, Andrey Kurilin. __ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: openstack-dev-requ...@lists.openstack.org?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev