Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/23/2013 10:44 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: > > > On 11/22/13 2:47 PM, "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant >>> wrote: >>> In particular, has there been a decision made about whet

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

"I've moved my cloud neutron already, but while it provides many advanced features it still really falls down on providing simple solutions for simple use cases" it is my feeling as well. I am not able to easily achieve my running neutron smoothly, and there are a lot of tricks. Compare to nova-net

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:10:23AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: > On 23 November 2013 05:32, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: > >> A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling > >> service. There have been lots of bi

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

Russell Bryant wrote: > On 11/22/2013 12:55 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: >> To that end, I recommend posting questions like "We're thinking of >> making large change 'X', how will that affect existing OpenStack >> deployments?" to the openstack-operators mailing list. >> >> I know there are several

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 23 November 2013 05:32, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: >> A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling >> service. There have been lots of big ideas around this. Robert Collins >> just started a thread about a pr

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/22/13 2:47 PM, "Daniel P. Berrange" wrote: >On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: >> >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant >>wrote: >> In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will >> definitely be deprecated in some (a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/22/2013 02:29 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: I honestly don't understand why openstack@ and openstack-operators@ are different lists. Perhaps openstack@ just needs better use of topic tagging ... Wouldn't openstack@ be the logical place for end-users to hang out, while openstack-operators@

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/22/2013 12:55 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell > wrote: > > > Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be > one of the major development concerns as people reflect on > refactoring along

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:55:48PM -0500, Lorin Hochstein wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell wrote: > > > > > Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be one of > > the major development concerns as people reflect on refactoring along with > > making sure

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell wrote: > > Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be one of > the major development concerns as people reflect on refactoring along with > making sure we don't make OpenStack more difficult to > install/manage/configure. > > To

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

make OpenStack more difficult to install/manage/configure. Tim > -Original Message- > From: Daniel P. Berrange [mailto:berra...@redhat.com] > Sent: 22 November 2013 17:33 > To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

"Daniel P. Berrange" wrote on 11/22/2013 11:32:59 AM: > > A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling > > service. There have been lots of big ideas around this. Robert Collins > > just started a thread about a proposal to start this project but with a > > very strict sc

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: > On 11/22/2013 11:17 AM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: > > To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to > > achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me > > to hear it suggested. > > -1 fro

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/22/2013 11:17 AM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: > To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to > achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me > to hear it suggested. -1 from me too, so everyone can take a deep breath on this. :-) > Providing feat

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me to hear it suggested. I do try not to rant in public, especially about things I'm not competent to really help fix, but I can't really contain this one any l

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/22/2013 04:47 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: >> In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will >> definitely be deprecated in some (as yet u

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: > >> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: > In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will > definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or > whether it wil

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013/11/22 John Garbutt : > Another approach to help with (1) is in Icehouse we remove the > features from nova-network that neutron does not implement. We have > warned about deprecation for a good few releases, so its almost OK. You want to motivate Neutron developers by punishing users of nova-

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant wrote: In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it will continue to be supported for the foreseeable future? >>> >>> We want

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

That is clearly a step in the right direction, and I have to commend the neutron team for really kicking things into high gear in going after some of these issues. That said, we still have a long way to go. I think a very frank evaluation at icehouse-2 is going to be required to figure out whether

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

fyi. gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops is now a bit more stable (compare [1] and [2]) with the Nova change [3]. Joe earlier posted a call to arms [4] yesterday. [1] http://logstash.openstack.org/#eyJzZWFyY2giOiJcIkZpbmlzaGVkOiBGQUlMVVJFXCIgQU5EIGJ1aWxkX25hbWU6XCJnYXRlLXRlbXBlc3QtZGV2c3Rh

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

On 11/15/2013 01:26 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: > Was the fate of nova-network discussed at the icehouse summit? Yes. [1][2] > In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will > definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or > whether it will continue t

[openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

Was the fate of nova-network discussed at the icehouse summit? In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it will continue to be supported for the foreseeable future? Lorin -- Lorin Hochstei