Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-25 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Sun, Nov 24, 2013 at 11:10:23AM +1300, Robert Collins wrote: On 23 November 2013 05:32, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling service. There have been

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-25 Thread laserjetyang
I've moved my cloud neutron already, but while it provides many advanced features it still really falls down on providing simple solutions for simple use cases it is my feeling as well. I am not able to easily achieve my running neutron smoothly, and there are a lot of tricks. Compare to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-25 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/23/2013 10:44 AM, Gary Kotton wrote: On 11/22/13 2:47 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, has there been a decision

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-23 Thread Gary Kotton
On 11/22/13 2:47 PM, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-23 Thread Robert Collins
On 23 November 2013 05:32, Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling service. There have been lots of big ideas around this. Robert Collins just started a

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread John Garbutt
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it will continue to be supported for the foreseeable future? We want

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Soren Hansen
2013/11/22 John Garbutt j...@johngarbutt.com: Another approach to help with (1) is in Icehouse we remove the features from nova-network that neutron does not implement. We have warned about deprecation for a good few releases, so its almost OK. You want to motivate Neutron developers by

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Sean Dague
On 11/22/2013 04:47 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:25:51AM +, John Garbutt wrote: On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Russell Bryant rbry...@redhat.com wrote: In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Jonathan Proulx
To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me to hear it suggested. I do try not to rant in public, especially about things I'm not competent to really help fix, but I can't really contain this one any

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/22/2013 11:17 AM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me to hear it suggested. -1 from me too, so everyone can take a deep breath on this. :-) Providing feature

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 11:24:18AM -0500, Russell Bryant wrote: On 11/22/2013 11:17 AM, Jonathan Proulx wrote: To add to the screams of others removing features from nova-network to achieve parity with neutron is a non starter, and it rather scares me to hear it suggested. -1 from me

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Mike Spreitzer
Daniel P. Berrange berra...@redhat.com wrote on 11/22/2013 11:32:59 AM: A good example is the current discussion around a new scheduling service. There have been lots of big ideas around this. Robert Collins just started a thread about a proposal to start this project but with a very

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Tim Bell
OpenStack more difficult to install/manage/configure. Tim -Original Message- From: Daniel P. Berrange [mailto:berra...@redhat.com] Sent: 22 November 2013 17:33 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Lorin Hochstein
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be one of the major development concerns as people reflect on refactoring along with making sure we don't make OpenStack more difficult to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Daniel P. Berrange
On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:55:48PM -0500, Lorin Hochstein wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be one of the major development concerns as people reflect on refactoring along with

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-22 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/22/2013 12:55 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch mailto:tim.b...@cern.ch wrote: Support those of us running production OpenStack clouds needs to be one of the major development concerns as people reflect on

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-16 Thread Sean Dague
That is clearly a step in the right direction, and I have to commend the neutron team for really kicking things into high gear in going after some of these issues. That said, we still have a long way to go. I think a very frank evaluation at icehouse-2 is going to be required to figure out

[openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-15 Thread Lorin Hochstein
Was the fate of nova-network discussed at the icehouse summit? In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it will continue to be supported for the foreseeable future? Lorin -- Lorin

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-15 Thread Russell Bryant
On 11/15/2013 01:26 PM, Lorin Hochstein wrote: Was the fate of nova-network discussed at the icehouse summit? Yes. [1][2] In particular, has there been a decision made about whether it will definitely be deprecated in some (as yet unspecified) future release, or whether it will continue to

Re: [openstack-dev] [nova] future fate of nova-network?

2013-11-15 Thread Davanum Srinivas
fyi. gate-tempest-devstack-vm-neutron-large-ops is now a bit more stable (compare [1] and [2]) with the Nova change [3]. Joe earlier posted a call to arms [4] yesterday. [1]