Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-29 Thread Anita Kuno
On 01/28/2015 07:24 PM, Adam Lawson wrote: I'm short on time so I apologize for my candor since I need to get straight to the point. I love reading the various opinions and my team is immensely excited with OpenStack is maturing. But this is lunacy. I looked at the patch being worked [1]

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-29 Thread Adam Lawson
Hi Anne; this was more or less directed in Monty's direction and/or those in agreement with his position. Sorry for the confusion, I probably should have been a bit more clear. ; ) Mahalo, Adam *Adam Lawson* AQORN, Inc. 427 North Tatnall Street Ste. 58461 Wilmington, Delaware 19801-2230

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-29 Thread Anita Kuno
On 01/29/2015 11:56 AM, Adam Lawson wrote: Hi Anne; this was more or less directed in Monty's direction and/or those in agreement with his position. Sorry for the confusion, I probably should have been a bit more clear. ; ) Mahalo, Adam Okay, thanks Adam. My name is Anita. Thanks, Anita.

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Monty Taylor
Quick top-post apology... It's entirely possible that there are people who are reading these lists who do not personally know me or my tendency to overuse hyperbole. I would like to formally apologize for both the subject of this thread and my use of the word autocratic. They are both

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
Monty Taylor wrote: You'll notice that I did say in my suggestion that ANYONE should be able to propose a name - I believe that would include non-dev people. Since the people in question are marketing people, I would imagine that if any of them feel strongly about a name, that it should be

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-01-28 23:37:18 +0800 (+0800), Tom Fifield wrote: If logistics are getting complicated, is it necessary to lock it down so much? I vaguely recall a launchpad poll in the past, which was effectively open to the public? Is voting on the shortlisted names something we should just open wide

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
James E. Blair wrote: Considering that the process used to be a poll of the ~openstack group on launchpad, it seemed like a fairly straightforward mapping to ATCs. I wanted to find the easiest way to get the most people in the community likely to vote as possible without needing to generate

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
Monty Taylor wrote: What if, to reduce stress on you, we make this 100% mechanical: - Anyone can propose a name - Election officials verify that the name matches the criteria - * note: how do we approve additive exceptions without tons of effort Devil is in the details, as reading some of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Thierry Carrez
Thierry Carrez wrote: James E. Blair wrote: Considering that the process used to be a poll of the ~openstack group on launchpad, it seemed like a fairly straightforward mapping to ATCs. I wanted to find the easiest way to get the most people in the community likely to vote as possible

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread James E. Blair
Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org writes: Monty Taylor wrote: You'll notice that I did say in my suggestion that ANYONE should be able to propose a name - I believe that would include non-dev people. Since the people in question are marketing people, I would imagine that if any of them

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2015-01-28 10:29:38 +0100 (+0100), Thierry Carrez wrote: The proposal as it stands (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/150604/4) currently excludes all non-ATCs from voting, though. The wider community was included in previous iterations of the naming process, so this very much feels like a

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Adam Lawson
I'm short on time so I apologize for my candor since I need to get straight to the point. I love reading the various opinions and my team is immensely excited with OpenStack is maturing. But this is lunacy. I looked at the patch being worked [1] to change how things are done and have more

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/28/2015 01:29 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: You'll notice that I did say in my suggestion that ANYONE should be able to propose a name - I believe that would include non-dev people. Since the people in question are marketing people, I would imagine that if any of them

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Anita Kuno
On 01/28/2015 11:36 AM, Thierry Carrez wrote: Monty Taylor wrote: What if, to reduce stress on you, we make this 100% mechanical: - Anyone can propose a name - Election officials verify that the name matches the criteria - * note: how do we approve additive exceptions without tons of effort

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Tim Bell
-Original Message- From: Tom Fifield [mailto:t...@openstack.org] Sent: 28 January 2015 16:37 To: openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process On 28/01/15 23:27, Jeremy Stanley wrote: On 2015-01-28 10:29:38 +0100 (+0100), Thierry

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-28 Thread Morgan Fainberg
I just want to toss in a quick 2 cents on the topic. It is important for everyone to feel involved in the naming of our releases. It is part of who we are. No one (including marketing) should be excluded from the discussion. I see a lot of good feedback here and it should be fun again! Making

[openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Monty Taylor
I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community selected name should be. I propose: * As soon as development starts on release X, we open the voting for the name of

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Kyle Mestery
On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 1:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community selected name should be. ++ I propose:

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Morgan Fainberg
++ absolutely! Sent via mobile On Jan 27, 2015, at 14:19, Jim Meyer j...@geekdaily.org wrote: +1 all the way down. More fun double-plus-good. —j On Jan 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Jonathan Bryce
On Jan 27, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community selected name should be. Autocratic? Could

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Monty Taylor
On 01/27/2015 06:05 PM, Jonathan Bryce wrote: On Jan 27, 2015, at 3:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Adam Young
On 01/27/2015 05:19 PM, Jim Meyer wrote: +1 all the way down. More fun double-plus-good. —j On Jan 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun -

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread James E. Blair
Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com writes: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a community selected name should be. I propose: * As soon as development starts on

Re: [openstack-dev] [tc] Take back the naming process

2015-01-27 Thread Jim Meyer
+1 all the way down. More fun double-plus-good. —j On Jan 27, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Monty Taylor mord...@inaugust.com wrote: I do not like how we are selecting names for our releases right now. The current process is autocratic and opaque and not fun - which is the exact opposite of what a