Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-28 Thread Geoff Arnold
Yes. 100% upstream.

And although I’ve referred to it as “reseller” (following the previous Keystone 
BP), it’s a much more generic pattern. Long term, I think it turns into 
something like a supply chain framework for services.

Geoff

 On Apr 28, 2015, at 3:51 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch wrote:
 
 Geoff,
  
 Would the generic parts of your “reseller” solution by contributed to the 
 upstream projects (e.g. glance, horizon, ceilometer) ? It would be good to 
 get the core components understanding hierarchical multitenancy for all the 
 use cases.
  
 The nova quota work is being submitted upstream for Liberty by Sajeesh 
 (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api)
  
 The cinder quota proposal is also underway 
 (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-nested-quota-driver 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-nested-quota-driver)
  
 Tim
  
 From: Geoff Arnold [mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com] 
 Sent: 28 April 2015 08:11
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
 Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and 
 Glance?
  
 Use cases:
 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy 
 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy
  
 Blueprints:
 (Kilo):
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller
 (Liberty):
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
  
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api
 (Pending):
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles 
 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles
  
 As for adoption, it’s hard to say. The HMT work in Keystone was a necessary 
 starting point, but in order to create a complete solution we really need the 
 corresponding changes in Nova (quotas), Glance (resource visibility), Horizon 
 (UI scoping), and probably Ceilometer (aggregated queries). We (Cisco) are 
 planning to kick off a Stackforge project to knit all of these things 
 together into a complete “reseller” federation system. I’m assuming that 
 there will be other system-level compositions of the various pieces.
  
 Geoff
  
 On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Tripp, Travis S travis.tr...@hp.com 
 mailto:travis.tr...@hp.com wrote:
  
 Geoff,
 
 Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.
 
 As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
 hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that highlights what
 the desired path forward is with regard to domains?
 
 Thanks,
 Travis
 
 On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com 
 mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:
 
 
 Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller guys will have
 some comments.
 
 Geoff
 
 
 On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
 nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com mailto:nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.
 
 -Nikhil
 
 
 From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
 Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy
 and   Glance?
 
 In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for blueprints and
 design summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone
 hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious
 candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local
 resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I wasn¹t able to
 find anything. Did I miss something obvious?
 
 I¹ve added a paragraph to
 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics 
 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make
 sure it doesn¹t get overlooked.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Geoff
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-28 Thread Rodrigo Duarte Sousa

Hi all,

Our team in the Federal University of Campina Grande implemented the 
initial Hierarchical Multitenancy support and now we are implementing 
the Reseller use case in Keystone.


Already answering Travis question, in the Reseller solution we are 
merging the domains and projects entities: domains are going to be a 
feature of projects - if a project has the domain feature enabled, 
it will behave exactly as domains currently behave (being a container of 
users). With domain being a project, they will be part of the same 
hierarchy, for more details you may read the spec: 
https://github.com/openstack/keystone-specs/blob/master/specs/liberty/reseller.rst


And yes, we need to extend the Hierarchical Mutlitenancy concept to 
other projects and our team is already working in Horizon and in contact 
with Sajeesh (Nova). We are definitely interested in participating the 
proposed design session and discussions that could emerge from it.


--

Rodrigo Duarte

On 28-04-2015 10:59, Geoff Arnold wrote:

Yes. 100% upstream.

And although I’ve referred to it as “reseller” (following the previous 
Keystone BP), it’s a much more generic pattern. Long term, I think it 
turns into something like a supply chain framework for services.


Geoff

On Apr 28, 2015, at 3:51 AM, Tim Bell tim.b...@cern.ch 
mailto:tim.b...@cern.ch wrote:


Geoff,

Would the generic parts of your “reseller” solution by contributed to 
the upstream projects (e.g. glance, horizon, ceilometer) ? It would 
be good to get the core components understanding hierarchical 
multitenancy for all the use cases.


The nova quota work is being submitted upstream for Liberty by 
Sajeesh 
(https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api)


The cinder quota proposal is also underway 
(https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-nested-quota-driver)


Tim

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*Sent:* 28 April 2015 08:11
*To:* OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
*Subject:* Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical 
multitenancy and Glance?


Use cases:

https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy

Blueprints:

(Kilo):

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller

(Liberty):

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api

(Pending):

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects

https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles

As for adoption, it’s hard to say. The HMT work in Keystone was a 
necessary starting point, but in order to create a complete solution 
we really need the corresponding changes in Nova (quotas), Glance 
(resource visibility), Horizon (UI scoping), and probably Ceilometer 
(aggregated queries). We (Cisco) are planning to kick off a 
Stackforge project to knit all of these things together into a 
complete “reseller” federation system. I’m assuming that there will 
be other system-level compositions of the various pieces.


Geoff

On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Tripp, Travis S travis.tr...@hp.com
mailto:travis.tr...@hp.com wrote:

Geoff,

Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.

As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that
highlights what
the desired path forward is with regard to domains?

Thanks,
Travis

On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:


Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller
guys will have
some comments.

Geoff


On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com
mailto:nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:

Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.

-Nikhil


From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage
questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical
multitenancy
and   Glance?

In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for
blueprints and
design summit discussions involving the application of
the Keystone
hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack
projects. One obvious
candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want
domain-local
resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I
wasn¹t able to
find anything. Did I miss something obvious

Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-28 Thread Tim Bell
Geoff,

Would the generic parts of your reseller solution by contributed to the 
upstream projects (e.g. glance, horizon, ceilometer) ? It would be good to get 
the core components understanding hierarchical multitenancy for all the use 
cases.

The nova quota work is being submitted upstream for Liberty by Sajeesh 
(https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api)

The cinder quota proposal is also underway 
(https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/cinder-nested-quota-driver)

Tim

From: Geoff Arnold [mailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com]
Sent: 28 April 2015 08:11
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and 
Glance?

Use cases:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy

Blueprints:
(Kilo):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller
(Liberty):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api
(Pending):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles

As for adoption, it's hard to say. The HMT work in Keystone was a necessary 
starting point, but in order to create a complete solution we really need the 
corresponding changes in Nova (quotas), Glance (resource visibility), Horizon 
(UI scoping), and probably Ceilometer (aggregated queries). We (Cisco) are 
planning to kick off a Stackforge project to knit all of these things together 
into a complete reseller federation system. I'm assuming that there will be 
other system-level compositions of the various pieces.

Geoff

On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Tripp, Travis S 
travis.tr...@hp.commailto:travis.tr...@hp.com wrote:

Geoff,

Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.

As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that highlights what
the desired path forward is with regard to domains?

Thanks,
Travis

On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold 
ge...@geoffarnold.commailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:


Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller guys will have
some comments.

Geoff


On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
nikhil.koma...@rackspace.commailto:nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:

Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.

-Nikhil


From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.commailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy
and   Glance?

In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for blueprints and
design summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone
hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious
candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local
resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I wasn¹t able to
find anything. Did I miss something obvious?

I¹ve added a paragraph to
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make
sure it doesn¹t get overlooked.

Cheers,

Geoff

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-28 Thread Tripp, Travis S
Thanks, I’ll have to read! Do you have a quick summary on what role domains are 
intended to play in this?  Has the following statement been decided?


  1.  Domains may be modified to exist as top-level projects, or they may still 
exist solely as containers for users with the project hierarchy remaining 
separate.


From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.commailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com
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Glance?

Use cases:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy

Blueprints:
(Kilo):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller
(Liberty):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api
(Pending):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles

As for adoption, it’s hard to say. The HMT work in Keystone was a necessary 
starting point, but in order to create a complete solution we really need the 
corresponding changes in Nova (quotas), Glance (resource visibility), Horizon 
(UI scoping), and probably Ceilometer (aggregated queries). We (Cisco) are 
planning to kick off a Stackforge project to knit all of these things together 
into a complete “reseller” federation system. I’m assuming that there will be 
other system-level compositions of the various pieces.

Geoff

On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Tripp, Travis S 
travis.tr...@hp.commailto:travis.tr...@hp.com wrote:

Geoff,

Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.

As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that highlights what
the desired path forward is with regard to domains?

Thanks,
Travis

On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold 
ge...@geoffarnold.commailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:

Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller guys will have
some comments.

Geoff

On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
nikhil.koma...@rackspace.commailto:nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:

Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.

-Nikhil


From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.commailto:ge...@geoffarnold.com
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy
and   Glance?

In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for blueprints and
design summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone
hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious
candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local
resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I wasn¹t able to
find anything. Did I miss something obvious?

I¹ve added a paragraph to
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make
sure it doesn¹t get overlooked.

Cheers,

Geoff

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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-28 Thread Geoff Arnold
Use cases:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy 
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HierarchicalMultitenancy

Blueprints:
(Kilo):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/hierarchical-multitenancy
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller
(Liberty):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/multiple-level-user-quota-management
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api
(Pending):
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/hierarchical-projects
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles 
https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/inherited-roles

As for adoption, it’s hard to say. The HMT work in Keystone was a necessary 
starting point, but in order to create a complete solution we really need the 
corresponding changes in Nova (quotas), Glance (resource visibility), Horizon 
(UI scoping), and probably Ceilometer (aggregated queries). We (Cisco) are 
planning to kick off a Stackforge project to knit all of these things together 
into a complete “reseller” federation system. I’m assuming that there will be 
other system-level compositions of the various pieces.

Geoff

 On Apr 27, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Tripp, Travis S travis.tr...@hp.com wrote:
 
 Geoff,
 
 Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.
 
 As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
 hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that highlights what
 the desired path forward is with regard to domains?
 
 Thanks,
 Travis
 
 On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:
 
 Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller guys will have
 some comments.
 
 Geoff
 
 On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
 nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.
 
 -Nikhil
 
 
 From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
 Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy
 and   Glance?
 
 In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for blueprints and
 design summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone
 hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious
 candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local
 resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I wasn¹t able to
 find anything. Did I miss something obvious?
 
 I¹ve added a paragraph to
 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make
 sure it doesn¹t get overlooked.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Geoff
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-27 Thread Nikhil Komawar
Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.

-Nikhil


From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
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To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and   
Glance?

In preparation for Vancouver, I’ve been looking for blueprints and design 
summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone hierarchical 
multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious candidate is Glance, 
where, for example, we might want domain-local resource visibility as a 
default. Despite my searches, I wasn’t able to find anything. Did I miss 
something obvious?

I’ve added a paragraph to 
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make sure it 
doesn’t get overlooked.

Cheers,

Geoff
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-27 Thread Tripp, Travis S
Geoff,

Getting a spec on HMT would be helpful, as Nikhil mentioned.

As a general question, what it the current adoption of domains / vs
hierarchical projects? Is there a wiki or something that highlights what
the desired path forward is with regard to domains?

Thanks,
Travis

On 4/27/15, 7:16 PM, Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com wrote:

Good points. I¹ll add some details. I¹m sure the Reseller guys will have
some comments.

Geoff

 On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar
nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com wrote:
 
 Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.
 
 -Nikhil
 
 
 From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
 To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
 Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy
and   Glance?
 
 In preparation for Vancouver, I¹ve been looking for blueprints and
design summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone
hierarchical multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious
candidate is Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local
resource visibility as a default. Despite my searches, I wasn¹t able to
find anything. Did I miss something obvious?
 
 I¹ve added a paragraph to
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make
sure it doesn¹t get overlooked.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Geoff
 
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Re: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and Glance?

2015-04-27 Thread Geoff Arnold
Good points. I’ll add some details. I’m sure the Reseller guys will have some 
comments.

Geoff

 On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:32 PM, Nikhil Komawar nikhil.koma...@rackspace.com 
 wrote:
 
 Thanks Geoff. Added some notes and questions.
 
 -Nikhil
 
 
 From: Geoff Arnold ge...@geoffarnold.com
 Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:50 PM
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 Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone][Glance] Hierarchical multitenancy and 
   Glance?
 
 In preparation for Vancouver, I’ve been looking for blueprints and design 
 summit discussions involving the application of the Keystone hierarchical 
 multitenancy work to other OpenStack projects. One obvious candidate is 
 Glance, where, for example, we might want domain-local resource visibility as 
 a default. Despite my searches, I wasn’t able to find anything. Did I miss 
 something obvious?
 
 I’ve added a paragraph to 
 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-glance-summit-topics to make sure it 
 doesn’t get overlooked.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Geoff
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