Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
The HOT Builder code is available now at https://github.com/rackerlabs/hotbuilder although at the moment it is non-functional because it has not been ported over to Horizon. Drago From: Angus Salkeld mailto:asalk...@mirantis.com>> Reply-To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 at 2:42 AM To: "OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)" mailto:openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org>> Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Steve Baker mailto:sba...@redhat.com>> wrote: On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: Hello, folks! Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our discussion in ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided to change the plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement Mistral Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer in Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and limitations than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The best way to do this is by building upon it. * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the same work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he did with Barricade.js). Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts were developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is currently. Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? Drago any news of this? This would prevent a lot of duplication of work and later merging of code. The sooner this is done the better. -Angus * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates have simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that moment than the ones in Solum. There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and since client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is pretty easy to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then see it in browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the current focus is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit Barricade.js capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's entities. I hope to finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - and will certainly announce it in the ML. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044591.html [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044186.html ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org<mailto:OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org> http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
Ok, Timur, thanks. Will check it out by the end of this week. Renat Akhmerov @ Mirantis Inc. On 06 Oct 2014, at 20:16, Timur Sufiev wrote: > Renat, > > I've addressed a number of Mistral Workbook builder's issues, including: > > * separating workflow-based Tasks from action-based ones, including distinct > set of fields for each one; > * restricting the range of values that can be selected for 'required' field > of Task inside reverse-type Workflow to already existing tasks of that > Workflow; > * removing 'Add' button that cluttered UI considerably - now Barricade > entities are updated on field's 'change' event; > * updating the Merlin/Mistral schema with the latest version of Mistral > workbook schema > * and some bugfixing... > > Regarding the field validation which is the last goal for Merlin/Mistral PoC > I haven't implemented yet, your feedback would be very helpful, namely: > * what validation constraints should be added? > * which fields should be validated? > > Any other feedback (not only related to validation issues) is also greatly > appreciated. Once we deal with validation and some UI awkwardness, I plan to > begin with Horizon integration. > > P.S. As usual, you can find the latest version of Merlin/Mistral Workbook > builder at https://github.com/stackforge/merlin > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Renat Akhmerov > wrote: > Timur, > > For us, undoubtedly, it’s a great news. Visualization of any kind is really > important for Mistral for a number of reasons. You can count on any > help(including code contribution) from our side. > > Thanks > > Renat Akhmerov > @ Mirantis Inc. > > > > On 26 Sep 2014, at 04:04, Steve Baker wrote: > > > On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: > >> Hello, folks! > >> > >> Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our discussion > >> in ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided to change > >> the plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement Mistral > >> Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: > >> > >> * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer in > >> Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and limitations > >> than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The best way to > >> do this is by building upon it. > >> * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the same > >> work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me > >> (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he > >> did with Barricade.js). > > > > Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts were > > developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is > > currently. > > > > Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to > > https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? > > > >> * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates > >> have simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that > >> moment than the ones in Solum. > >> > >> There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and > >> since client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is > >> pretty easy to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then > >> see it in browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the > >> current focus is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit > >> Barricade.js capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's > >> entities. I hope to finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - > >> and will certainly announce it in the ML. > >> > >> [1] > >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044591.html > >> [2] > >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044186.html > >> > > > > ___ > > OpenStack-dev mailing list > > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > > -- > Timur Sufiev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
Renat, I've addressed a number of Mistral Workbook builder's issues, including: * separating workflow-based Tasks from action-based ones, including distinct set of fields for each one; * restricting the range of values that can be selected for 'required' field of Task inside reverse-type Workflow to already existing tasks of that Workflow; * removing 'Add' button that cluttered UI considerably - now Barricade entities are updated on field's 'change' event; * updating the Merlin/Mistral schema with the latest version of Mistral workbook schema * and some bugfixing... Regarding the field validation which is the last goal for Merlin/Mistral PoC I haven't implemented yet, your feedback would be very helpful, namely: * what validation constraints should be added? * which fields should be validated? Any other feedback (not only related to validation issues) is also greatly appreciated. Once we deal with validation and some UI awkwardness, I plan to begin with Horizon integration. P.S. As usual, you can find the latest version of Merlin/Mistral Workbook builder at https://github.com/stackforge/merlin On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Renat Akhmerov wrote: > Timur, > > For us, undoubtedly, it’s a great news. Visualization of any kind is > really important for Mistral for a number of reasons. You can count on any > help(including code contribution) from our side. > > Thanks > > Renat Akhmerov > @ Mirantis Inc. > > > > On 26 Sep 2014, at 04:04, Steve Baker wrote: > > > On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: > >> Hello, folks! > >> > >> Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our > discussion in ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided > to change the plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement > Mistral Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: > >> > >> * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer > in Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and > limitations than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The > best way to do this is by building upon it. > >> * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the > same work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me > (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he did > with Barricade.js). > > > > Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts > were developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is > currently. > > > > Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to > https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? > > > >> * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates > have simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that > moment than the ones in Solum. > >> > >> There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and > since client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is > pretty easy to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then > see it in browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the > current focus is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit > Barricade.js capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's > entities. I hope to finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - and > will certainly announce it in the ML. > >> > >> [1] > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044591.html > >> [2] > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044186.html > >> > > > > ___ > > OpenStack-dev mailing list > > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > -- Timur Sufiev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:04 AM, Steve Baker wrote: > On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: > >> Hello, folks! >> >> Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our discussion >> in ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided to change >> the plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement Mistral >> Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: >> >> * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer >> in Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and >> limitations than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The >> best way to do this is by building upon it. >> * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the same >> work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me >> (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he did >> with Barricade.js). >> > > Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts were > developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is > currently. > > Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to > https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? > Drago any news of this? This would prevent a lot of duplication of work and later merging of code. The sooner this is done the better. -Angus > > * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates >> have simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that >> moment than the ones in Solum. >> >> There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and >> since client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is >> pretty easy to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then >> see it in browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the >> current focus is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit >> Barricade.js capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's >> entities. I hope to finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - and >> will certainly announce it in the ML. >> >> [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014- >> September/044591.html >> [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014- >> August/044186.html >> >> > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev > ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
Timur, For us, undoubtedly, it’s a great news. Visualization of any kind is really important for Mistral for a number of reasons. You can count on any help(including code contribution) from our side. Thanks Renat Akhmerov @ Mirantis Inc. On 26 Sep 2014, at 04:04, Steve Baker wrote: > On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: >> Hello, folks! >> >> Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our discussion in >> ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided to change the >> plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement Mistral >> Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: >> >> * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer in >> Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and limitations >> than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The best way to >> do this is by building upon it. >> * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the same >> work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me >> (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he did >> with Barricade.js). > > Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts were > developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is > currently. > > Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to > https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? > >> * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates have >> simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that moment >> than the ones in Solum. >> >> There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and since >> client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is pretty easy >> to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then see it in >> browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the current focus >> is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit Barricade.js >> capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's entities. I hope to >> finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - and will certainly >> announce it in the ML. >> >> [1] >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044591.html >> [2] >> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044186.html >> > > ___ > OpenStack-dev mailing list > OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
Re: [openstack-dev] [UX] [Heat] [Mistral] Merlin project PoC update: shift from HOT builder to Mistral Workbook builder
On 26/09/14 05:36, Timur Sufiev wrote: Hello, folks! Following Drago Rosson's introduction of Barricade.js and our discussion in ML about possibility of using it in Merlin [1], I've decided to change the plans for PoC: now the goal for Merlin's PoC is to implement Mistral Workbook builder on top of Barricade.js. The reasons for that are: * To better understand Barricade.js potential as data abstraction layer in Merlin, I need to learn much more about its possibilities and limitations than simple examining/reviewing of its source code allows. The best way to do this is by building upon it. * It's becoming too crowded in the HOT builder's sandbox - doing the same work as Drago currently does [2] seems like a waste of resources to me (especially in case he'll opensource his HOT builder someday just as he did with Barricade.js). Drago, it would be to everyone's benefit if your HOT builder efforts were developed on a public git repository, no matter how functional it is currently. Is there any chance you can publish what you're working on to https://github.com/dragorosson or rackerlabs for a start? * Why Mistral and not Murano or Solum? Because Mistral's YAML templates have simpler structure than Murano's ones do and is better defined at that moment than the ones in Solum. There already some commits in https://github.com/stackforge/merlin and since client-side app doesn't talk to the Mistral's server yet, it is pretty easy to run it (just follow the instructions in README.md) and then see it in browser at http://localhost:8080. UI is yet not great, as the current focus is data abstraction layer exploration, i.e. how to exploit Barricade.js capabilities to reflect all relations between Mistral's entities. I hope to finish the minimal set of features in a few weeks - and will certainly announce it in the ML. [1] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/044591.html [2] http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/044186.html ___ OpenStack-dev mailing list OpenStack-dev@lists.openstack.org http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
