Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-13 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 10 June 2014 17:53, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 16:09 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane thing to do. I don't see why you

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-11 Thread John Griffith
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Doug Hellmann doug.hellm...@dreamhost.com wrote: On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 16:09 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-11 Thread Thierry Carrez
Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 16:09 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane thing to do. I don't see why you think calling this certification is necessary

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-11 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 6:29 AM, Thierry Carrez thie...@openstack.org wrote: Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 16:09 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 20:14 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: Based on the discussion I'd like to propose these options: 1. Cinder-certified driver - This is an attempt to move the certification to the project level. 2.

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 10 June 2014 09:33, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Avoiding dragging the project into those sort of politics is something I'm really keen on, and why I think the word certification is best avoided so we can focus on what we're actually trying to achieve. Avoiding those sorts of

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Anita Kuno
On 06/10/2014 04:33 AM, Mark McLoughlin wrote: On Mon, 2014-06-09 at 20:14 -0400, Doug Hellmann wrote: On Mon, Jun 9, 2014 at 6:11 PM, Eoghan Glynn egl...@redhat.com wrote: Based on the discussion I'd like to propose these options: 1. Cinder-certified driver - This is an attempt to move the

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 14:06 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 09:33, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Avoiding dragging the project into those sort of politics is something I'm really keen on, and why I think the word certification is best avoided so we can focus on what

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane thing to do. I don't see why you think calling this certification is necessary to achieve your goals. What is certification except a formal way of saying 'we

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Ben Nemec
On 06/10/2014 10:09 AM, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane thing to do. I don't see why you think calling this certification is necessary to achieve your goals. What is

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-10 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Tue, 2014-06-10 at 16:09 +0100, Duncan Thomas wrote: On 10 June 2014 15:07, Mark McLoughlin mar...@redhat.com wrote: Exposing which configurations are actively tested is a perfectly sane thing to do. I don't see why you think calling this certification is necessary to achieve your

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Eoghan Glynn
So there are certain words that mean certain things, most don't, some do. If words that mean certain things are used then some folks start using the word and have expectations around the word and the OpenStack Technical Committee and other OpenStack programs find themselves on the hook

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Duncan Thomas
On 6 June 2014 18:29, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: So there are certain words that mean certain things, most don't, some do. If words that mean certain things are used then some folks start using the word and have expectations around the word and the OpenStack Technical Committee

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Anita Kuno
On 06/09/2014 03:38 AM, Eoghan Glynn wrote: So there are certain words that mean certain things, most don't, some do. If words that mean certain things are used then some folks start using the word and have expectations around the word and the OpenStack Technical Committee and other

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Asselin, Ramy
of Vendor-specific Drivers. Ramy -Original Message- From: Duncan Thomas [mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 4:50 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified On 6 June 2014 18:29, Anita Kuno

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Eoghan Glynn
of the certification. Cheers, Eoghan Ramy -Original Message- From: Duncan Thomas [mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 4:50 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified On 6 June 2014 18

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-09 Thread Doug Hellmann
Thomas [mailto:duncan.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 4:50 AM To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified On 6 June 2014 18:29, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: So there are certain words that mean

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-06 Thread Mark McLoughlin
On Fri, 2014-06-06 at 13:29 -0400, Anita Kuno wrote: The issue I have with the word certify is that it requires someone or a group of someones to attest to something. The thing attested to is only as credible as the someone or the group of someones doing the attesting. We have no process, nor

Re: [openstack-dev] use of the word certified

2014-06-06 Thread Doug Hellmann
On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 1:29 PM, Anita Kuno ante...@anteaya.info wrote: So there are certain words that mean certain things, most don't, some do. If words that mean certain things are used then some folks start using the word and have expectations around the word and the OpenStack Technical