Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core review stats in openstack-dev?

[Alexandra Settle]

No objections (

On 1/18/18, 3:46 PM, "Openstack-doc-core on behalf of Petr Kovar" 
 wrote:

Hi core team,

Doug suggested that we open up the process of nominating people for cores
(and retiring) and do it in the -dev mailing list, together with other
[docs] conversations.

Would there be any objections to start discussing core stats reviews in the
open, beginning with February?

Best,
pk

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[Openstack-doc-core] I18n core proposal

[Alexandra Settle]

Hi team,

I know this is a little unorthodox based off our current process, but after the 
PTG I was looking at our reviews/commits and the openstack-manuals repo now has 
a *lot* of i18n patches that are highly relevant to Frank Kloeker (eumel8), the 
new i18n PTL.

I wonder how you would all feel about proposing Frank to be a core for the 
openstack-manuals team, representative of i18n?

Thoughts?

Alex
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

[Alexandra Settle]

Thanks to Chason and Andreas for your replies.

Does anyone else have any objections?

On 9/5/17, 2:12 AM, "Andreas Jaeger" <a...@suse.com> wrote:

On 2017-09-01 15:29, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> My recommendation for September is:
> 
>  
> 
> Drop: No one
> 
> Add: Stephen Finucane
> 
>  
> 
> Yay or nay?
> 

Ja! ;)

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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

[Alexandra Settle]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for all your input regarding core reviews last week. For the month of 
August we have sadly lost Olena and Olga – two of our strong contributors who 
have done a lot to improve documentation. Also, sadly, I have not heard from 
Tom Fifield regarding his position as OpenStack manuals core. I have emailed 
him twice in two months regarding his interest in the position to receive no 
response.

I assume that Tom is busy at the moment, and has other commitments that take 
higher priority – which is completely understandable. As of today, I will 
remove Tom from the core list, unless he reaches out to me in which case I am 
more than happy to chat :)

I thank Tom, Olga, and Olena for their hard work and dedication to the team 
over the last few years, and am sure our team will continue to work with them 
in the wider community.

Thanks,

Alex

From: Olena Logvinova <ologvin...@mirantis.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:01 PM
To: Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>
Cc: Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

Hi Team,

Cosidering my current loading level at work, I am sorry to say that I would 
like to step down from the openstack-manuals cores. And of course I would be 
happy to return back one day when I get some time to contribute to the project.
I really enjoyed being a part of the Docs team! Thanks everyone for your 
support and hard work in the project!

Cheers,
Olena

2 авг. 2017 г. 1:59 PM пользователь "Alexandra Settle" 
<a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>> написал:
Thank you for all your hard work over your time as core, I am sorry to see you 
go!

It has been wonderful to work with you. Hopefully we will still see you around 
upstream! ☺

From: Olga Gusarenko <ogusare...@mirantis.com<mailto:ogusare...@mirantis.com>>
Date: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:46 AM

To: Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>>
Cc: Openstack-doc-core 
<openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net<mailto:openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

Hello, team!

This is with a heavy heart I should admit that I am not able to spend much time 
on reviewing at the moment due to having too much on my plate.

Thank you, Lana, Andreas, Anne, Alexandra, Brian, and all the team members! 
Learning from you was a great honor for me!

I'll try to continue keeping an eye on what's happening in the team. Please, go 
ahead and remove me from the core-reviewers list, for now.
Thanks,
Olga

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Petr Kovar 
<pko...@redhat.com<mailto:pko...@redhat.com>> wrote:
Yay,
pk


> From: "Anne Gentle" 
> <annegen...@justwriteclick.com<mailto:annegen...@justwriteclick.com>>
> To: "Alexandra Settle" <a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>>
> Cc: "Openstack-doc-core" 
> <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net<mailto:openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:00:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Alexandra Settle 
> <a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>>
> wrote:
> > Hi core team,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
> >
> >
> >
> > Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> >
> > Olga Gusarenko
> > Olena Logvinova
> > Tom Fifield
> >
> >
> >
> > This is the second time, or more, for Olga, Olena, and Tom. I will reach
> > out
> > to Olena to ensure she has the time to work on and with the project. I did
> > not hear back from Olga or Tom last month after reaching out. Olga
> > unfortunately has not been appearing in any stats for a few months now, I
> > will reach out and have a chat with her regarding the position. Tom also
> > has
> > not been appearing in the stats for the last few months. I will reach out
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Finucane (Contributions only)
> > Bruce Benjamin (30 and 90 days)
> > Melissaml (30 and 90 days)
> > Jay Bryant (Contributions only)
> > Adam Spiers (30 days)
> > Nicolas Bock (30 days)
> >
> >
> >
> > As per last month, I have reached out to Bruce and Melissa on several
> > occasions. At this point I will discontinue reaching out to Bruce, however
> > I
> > will ask if Melissa has taken the time to look over the responsibilities of
> > being core.
> >
> >
> >

Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

[Alexandra Settle]

Thank you for all your hard work over your time as core, I am sorry to see you 
go!

It has been wonderful to work with you. Hopefully we will still see you around 
upstream! ☺

From: Olga Gusarenko <ogusare...@mirantis.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 10:46 AM
To: Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>
Cc: Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats

Hello, team!

This is with a heavy heart I should admit that I am not able to spend much time 
on reviewing at the moment due to having too much on my plate.

Thank you, Lana, Andreas, Anne, Alexandra, Brian, and all the team members! 
Learning from you was a great honor for me!

I'll try to continue keeping an eye on what's happening in the team. Please, go 
ahead and remove me from the core-reviewers list, for now.
Thanks,
Olga

On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Petr Kovar 
<pko...@redhat.com<mailto:pko...@redhat.com>> wrote:
Yay,
pk


> From: "Anne Gentle" 
> <annegen...@justwriteclick.com<mailto:annegen...@justwriteclick.com>>
> To: "Alexandra Settle" <a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>>
> Cc: "Openstack-doc-core" 
> <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net<mailto:openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 1, 2017 3:00:15 PM
> Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats
>
> On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:54 AM, Alexandra Settle 
> <a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>>
> wrote:
> > Hi core team,
> >
> >
> >
> > Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
> >
> >
> >
> > Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> >
> > Olga Gusarenko
> > Olena Logvinova
> > Tom Fifield
> >
> >
> >
> > This is the second time, or more, for Olga, Olena, and Tom. I will reach
> > out
> > to Olena to ensure she has the time to work on and with the project. I did
> > not hear back from Olga or Tom last month after reaching out. Olga
> > unfortunately has not been appearing in any stats for a few months now, I
> > will reach out and have a chat with her regarding the position. Tom also
> > has
> > not been appearing in the stats for the last few months. I will reach out
> > again.
> >
> >
> >
> > Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> >
> >
> >
> > Stephen Finucane (Contributions only)
> > Bruce Benjamin (30 and 90 days)
> > Melissaml (30 and 90 days)
> > Jay Bryant (Contributions only)
> > Adam Spiers (30 days)
> > Nicolas Bock (30 days)
> >
> >
> >
> > As per last month, I have reached out to Bruce and Melissa on several
> > occasions. At this point I will discontinue reaching out to Bruce, however
> > I
> > will ask if Melissa has taken the time to look over the responsibilities of
> > being core.
> >
> >
> >
> > My recommendation for April is:
> >
> >
> >
> > Drop: Tom Fifield, Olga Gusarenko
> >
> > Add: No one
> >
> >
> >
> > Yay or nay?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, looks fine.
> Anne
>
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Alex
> >
> >
> >
> > [1]  This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
> > months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):
> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - July

[Alexandra Settle]

Thanks everyone for responding regarding the core reviews.

Since there were no objections to Petr being made core, I will email and inform 
him today ☺

Thanks all,

Alex

From: Brian Moss <kallimac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 2:51 AM
To: Anne Gentle | Just Write Click <annegen...@justwriteclick.com>
Cc: Chason <chason.c...@foxmail.com>, Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>, 
Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - July

Works for me.
Brian

On 3 July 2017 at 21:50, Anne Gentle | Just Write Click 
<annegen...@justwriteclick.com<mailto:annegen...@justwriteclick.com>> wrote:

Sounds fine to me -
Anne

On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Chason 
<chason.c...@foxmail.com<mailto:chason.c...@foxmail.com>> wrote:

Drop: Joseph Robinson, and Darren Chan
Add: Petr Kovar

Yay or nay?


Yay,

Chason

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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - July

[Alexandra Settle]

Great ☺ thanks everyone for responding.

Will hold on announcing the decision until the end of this week.

Thanks,

Alex

From: Brian Moss <kallimac...@gmail.com>
Date: Tuesday, July 4, 2017 at 2:51 AM
To: Anne Gentle | Just Write Click <annegen...@justwriteclick.com>
Cc: Chason <chason.c...@foxmail.com>, Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>, 
Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - July

Works for me.
Brian

On 3 July 2017 at 21:50, Anne Gentle | Just Write Click 
<annegen...@justwriteclick.com<mailto:annegen...@justwriteclick.com>> wrote:

Sounds fine to me -
Anne

On Jul 3, 2017, at 6:23 AM, Chason 
<chason.c...@foxmail.com<mailto:chason.c...@foxmail.com>> wrote:

Drop: Joseph Robinson, and Darren Chan
Add: Petr Kovar

Yay or nay?


Yay,

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[Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - July

[Alexandra Settle]

Hi core team,

Due to last month’s change to using Stackalytics for the review stats, I am 
choosing to continue this trend so we have some consistency. However, I will 
send out an email shortly to decide on what review stats we use in the future.

Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:

Current cores not appearing in any stats:

  *   Lana Brindley
  *   Brian Moss
  *   Joseph Robinson
  *   Darren Chan
  *   Maria Zlatkova
  *   Olena Logvinova
  *   Olga Gusarenko
  *   Tom Fifield

This is a first-time appearance for most. However, I have spoken to Joseph and 
Darren regarding their contributions and I believe they are choosing to step 
down. Lana and Brian however intend to continue with their reviews. I will 
email and discuss the potential for staying core. I will also email Maria, 
Olena, Olga, and Tom about their interest on staying on. Right now, we need all 
the core(s) we can get, and we truly need people to step up if they can provide 
the time and expertise.

Current non-cores appearing in stats:


  *   Petr Kovar (All 3 columns)
  *   Bruce Benjamin (All 3 columns)
  *   Melissaml (All 3 columns)
  *   Ian Choi (All 3 columns)
  *   Akihiro Motoki (30 days and contributions)
  *   Ildiko Vancsa (30 days and contributions)

I have reached out to Bruce and Melissa on several occasions. Melissa has 
contacted me back and is interested in becoming core. I have advised her to 
introduce herself on the ML, as she is not a strong presence on IRC, and read 
up on the responsibilities of being a core. I still have not heard from Bruce.

I would like to promote Petr to becoming core. Petr has been around since the 
Mitaka[2] release, and has recently stepped up with his reviews and commits to 
help us out with our migration. He is also intending to step forward to become 
our release manager for the Ocata cycle.

This month’s big thanks go to Doug Hellmann who has been tirelessly helping 
orchestrate the documentation migration. Thank you, Doug!

My recommendation for April is:

Drop: Joseph Robinson, and Darren Chan
Add: Petr Kovar

Yay or nay?

Thanks,
Alex

[1]  This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the months 
are in tabs at the bottom of the page): 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit?usp=sharing
[2] 
http://stackalytics.com/?project_type=all=documentation-group=commits_id=pmkovar=all

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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - June

[Alexandra Settle]

From: Anne Gentle <annegen...@justwriteclick.com>
Date: Thursday, June 1, 2017 at 1:36 PM
To: Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>
Cc: Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>, Mike Perez 
<m...@openstack.org>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Core team review - June



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 5:02 AM, Alexandra Settle 
<a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi core team,

Since the Dawn Of Time (I dunno when, sometime around July 2016) we’ve been 
using the Russell Bryant statistics to keep an eye on our core reviews. 
However, today I was simply unable to access the site and nobody else can 
either.

Bummer, that generated results from the reviewstats tool that I want to use to 
automate reports on cross-repo stats. Have you investigated any further on the 
plan there?

That’s unfortunate! ☹ No, I think using stackalytics is a fine option for all 
intent and purpose here.

So, this month I have adjusted and used Stackalytics, please note that this may 
cause some discrepancies between previous core reviews. Here's the core 
reviewer stats for this month[1]:

Current cores not appearing in any stats:
·  Anne Gentle
·  Olga Gusarenko

This is the second appearance for Anne, however I know she is working hard at 
our theme consistencies, and has other patches in the works[2]. I am also aware 
that Olga has been travelling, and has otherwise been unable to contribute as 
often as possible. I will reach out to them both to ensure that there are no 
other issues.

Current non-cores appearing in stats:

·  Bruce Benjamin (30 and 90 days)
·  Nicolas Bock (30 days)
·  KATO Tomoyuki (All 3 columns)
·  Mario Pranjic (30 days)
·  Akihiro Motoki (30 days)
·  Melissaml (30 and 90 days)
·  John Davidge (90 days)
·  Stephen Finucane (Contributions only)
·  Jay Bryant (Contributions only)

Melissa (ma.lei) and Bruce Benjamin have been appearing in two or more columns 
since the beginning of this year, and various times last year too. I reached 
out to them last month to see if either of them were interested in learning how 
to become core based off our recommendations, however I still have heard 
nothing back. If anyone knows how I can contact them, please let me know ☺

This month’s big thanks go to Nicolas Bock and Akihiro Motoki who have both 
stepped up from the Nova and Neutron teams respectively to help us out with any 
reviews and issues. Thanks guys!

My recommendation for April is:

Drop: No one
Add: No one


I'm fine with this, and I'm also fine with dropping me as core since I'll keep 
doing the same work either way.

Are you suggesting you would like to be removed as core? I admit, I would be 
loath to lose you as one of our cores ☹ You have been so instrumental to the 
project for such a long time!


Yay or nay?

Thanks,
Alex

[1]  This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the months 
are in tabs at the bottom of the page): 
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit?usp=sharing
[2] 
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:annegentle%2540justwriteclick.com+status:open



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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Summit update

[Alexandra Settle]

From: Anne Gentle <annegen...@justwriteclick.com>
Date: Friday, May 19, 2017 at 12:17 AM
To: Alexandra Settle <a.set...@outlook.com>
Cc: Openstack-doc-core <openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net>, 
"thin...@gmail.com" <thin...@gmail.com>, Doug Hellmann <d...@doughellmann.com>
Subject: Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-doc-core] Summit update



On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Alexandra Settle 
<a.set...@outlook.com<mailto:a.set...@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Before I send out my summary email to the greater mailing lists, I felt I 
should reach out to you all first as the gate keepers of the documentation 
project.

As we all know, we are rapidly losing key contributors and core reviewers. We 
are not alone, this is happening across the board. It is making things harder, 
but not impossible. Since our inception in 2010, we’ve been climbing higher and 
higher trying to achieve the best documentation we could, and uphold our high 
standards. This is something to be incredibly proud of.

However, we now need to take a step back and realise that the amount of work we 
are attempting to maintain is now out of reach for the team size that we have. 
At the moment we have 13 cores, of which none are full time contributors or 
reviewers. This includes myself.

That being said! I have spent the last week at the summit talking to some of 
our leaders, including Doug Hellmann (cc’d), Jonathan Bryce and Mike Perez 
regarding the future of the project. Between myself and other community 
members, we have been drafting plans and coming up with a new direction that 
will hopefully be sustainable in the long-term.

I am interested to hear your thoughts. I want to make sure that everyone feels 
that we’re headed in the right direction first and foremost. All of these 
action items are documented in this WIP etherpad: 
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-planning

Here’s a few action items I’d like to highlight:

1.   We have a detailed outline in the above 
etherpad<https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/doc-planning> on the action items 
going forward with the Installation Guide.
a.   Send email to the openstack-dev mailing list requesting input with 
regards to the project-specific installation guide move:
i.  Request 
solutions from the remaining teams that are pushing back against in-tree 
content.
   ii.  Agree 
upon long-term maintenance solution for Installation Guide.
2.   In the Administration and Operations Guide 
session<https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/admin-ops-guides> we asked operators 
what they wanted and how they wanted to go forward. Through a vote in the room, 
operators agreed that they would like to see the Operations Guide moved out of 
the openstack-manuals repo, and placed into the OpenStack 
wiki<http://wiki.openstack.org/> for their own maintenance. We lose ownership, 
but we also empower the operators to maintain their own guide.

Sounds fine, though who will do the migration? I'd also make sure it's not only 
the people in the room who traveled that get a vote.

One of the things we mentioned in the room is that there would be a message to 
the operations mailing list and that this would be a final decision. 
Admittedly, I am trying to avoid going in circles a thousand times. If you all 
think another vote would be best, I can do that.

I think I will probably do this migration. But other migrations we are going to 
need help. We will do our best to appeal and use project liaisons to help ☺

3.   Work on improving the config ref auto-generation files using sphinx 
extensions:
a.   Move away from using the flagmapping files (reduce manual labour)
b.   See: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/config-ref-spec
Yay.
4.   Ensure the CLI ref is documenting the unified client (move to the OSC 
repo).
Does this mean stop creating the nova CLI ref and so on? Sounds good to me.

I would say so, yes. Doug?

5.   Implement the archiving solution for the Pike release.

Do we have someone assigned now?

Yes, Brian and Lana still believe they can help out, and Petra Sargent put up 
her hand too.

6.   After the Pike release, include a note on the Architecture Guide and 
cease edits after that point in time.
Can this also go to the wiki or no? Not sure why this one stays for Pike?

It’s still being worked on in the Pike release, and because we have had a 
considerable amount of work done to this guide while being in a draft state. I 
do not wish to pull this one down to simply be tucked away. I think it is 
beneficial has a stateless guide with the promise of no further working 
material.
7.   After a period of time, any documents that are not being maintained, 
or groups have not taken ownership (Examples: Security, HA, and Networking 
Guides), they will be moved out 

Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March

[Alexandra Settle]

Thanks everyone for your support :)

Since there were some email issues, I will leave this until the end of the week 
for everyone to review.

Thanks!

On 3/8/17, 1:14 PM, "Anne Gentle | Just Write Click" 
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> On Mar 8, 2017, at 3:55 AM, Andreas Jaeger <a...@suse.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-03-08 10:46, Alexandra Settle wrote:
>> [...]
>> My proposal still stands. With Brian included:
>> 
>> Drop: no one
>> Add: Chen Xing (Chason), Caoyuan, and Brian Moss
> 

Great! I'm plus one for all three, good catch.

Anne

> fine with me,
> 
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March

[Alexandra Settle]

On 3/8/17, 7:37 AM, "Andreas Jaeger" <a...@suse.com> wrote:

On 2017-03-07 11:21, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> Starting this again!
> 
>  
> 
> Original email from 1/03/2017 below.
> 
>  
> 
> -
> 
>  
> 
> Hi core team,
> 
>  
> 
> Lana and I just did the core team review together for March (I’m still
> getting my feet, bear with me!) Here's the core reviewer stats for this
> month[1].
> 
>  
> 
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> 
> · Christian Berendt
> 
> · Olena Logvinova
> 
> · Shilla Saebi
> 
>  
> 
> This is the first appearance Christian on this list, I understand that
> Shilla and Olena have been drawn to other projects recently, so their
> attentions have been diverted. I will reach out to these people
> individually, and we can reassess next month. 
> 
>  
> 
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> 
> · Caoyuan (All 3 columns)
> 
> · bruce-benjamin (30 day reviews only)
> 
> · malei (90 day reviews only)
> 
> · cyrichardson (30 and 90 day review stats)
> 
> · iphutch (30 and 90 day review stats)
> 
> · Ankur Gupta (Top 12 contributors)
> 
> · Emma Foley (Top 12 contributors)
> 
> · Chason (All 3 columns)

We have Brian appearing in stats as well - 30 and 90 days reviews, as
well as commits.

He's not listed in colum F of your spreadsheet.

You’re completely correct – thank you for pointing that out.

>  
> 
> Caoyuan and Chen Xing (Chason) are hitting all three columns. I think we
> should consider both Chason and Caoyuan. They are both regular
> appearances, and both have vastly improved their quality of reviews and
> contributions recently. Chason has also recently been very active on the
> MLs, and attended sessions remotely at the PTG.
> 
>  
> 
> After some discussion, our recommendation for February is:
> 
> · Drop: no one
> 
> · Add: Chen Xing (Chason) and Caoyuan
> 
>  
> 
> Yay or nay?

Let's look again at the data including Brian - and then tell me your
proposal, please,

My proposal still stands. With Brian included:

Drop: no one
Add: Chen Xing (Chason), Caoyuan, and Brian Moss
   
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex
> 
>  
> 
> 1: This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
> 
> months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):

Do you mean this one?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit#gid=959854526

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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March 2017

[Alexandra Settle]

How bizarre. Will do, thank you.

On 3/7/17, 10:09 AM, "Andreas Jaeger" <a...@suse.com> wrote:

On 2017-03-07 10:54, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> I appear to be having email issues – can someone please confirm that this 
email is reaching them?

Received this email - but nothing earlier - neither Lana's nor yours,

Let's start the thread again, please,
Andreas

> Alex
> 
> Okay, so, other than from Lana I have not heard anything from the 
team.
> 
> I will wait until Wednesday (one full week) for people to reply. 
After that point, I will take an action :)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Alex
> 
> On 3/3/17, 12:17 AM, "Lana Brindley" <openst...@lanabrindley.com> 
wrote:
> 
> On 03/03/17 08:58, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > After some discussion, our recommendation for February is:
> > 
> > · Drop: no one
> > 
> > · Add: Chen Xing (Chason) and Caoyuan
> > 
> >  
> > 
> > Yay or nay?
> > 
> 
> That's a yea from me :)
> 
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - February 2017

[Alexandra Settle]

> We have this - 
> http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-review.html#achieving-core-reviewer-status

Although I knew this was here, I would not say this is easy to find if you were 
looking for this type of information. The contributor guide continuously grows 
and grows. I wonder if it’s worth separating it into two contributor guides? 
One for how to contribute, and one for conventions and guidelines? Perhaps even 
as simple revisiting of the contributor guide structure might help.

> These are good ideas, but there's still an outreach component that usually 
> comes from the PTL, to ask individuals > their goals and guide them towards 
> meaningful contributions.

I am happy to make this a goal for my first cycle as PTL. I have reached out to 
the 99cloud contributors only the other day to find out what they would be 
interested in working on.
But this is also a community effort, it would be nice to see people coming to 
me (for Pike) and asking what they can help with. I see lots of cores floating 
around without much direction (this has been me in the past, for sure).
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team Review - September 2016

[Alexandra Settle]

I agree with these suggestions - we should discuss with them beforehand.

Also, Akhiro Motoki has been doing an awesome job. Probably not suitable
for this round, but would keep an eye out for next round.

On 02/09/2016, 08:50, "Openstack-doc-core on behalf of Andreas Jaeger"
 wrote:

>On 09/02/2016 04:31 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
>> Hi core team,
>>
>> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>>
>> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>> Atsushi SAKAI
>> Gauvain Pocentek
>>
>> This is the second appearance in a row for both Atsushi-san and
>>Gauvain.
>>
>> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>> Chen Xing (90 days only)
>> Mahesh (Contributions only)
>> Chen Qiaomin (Contributions only)
>> Cao Yuan (30 & 90 days only)
>> wangqi (30 days only)[2]
>> malei (30 days only)[3]
>> Akihiro Motoki
>> Stephen Finucane
>>
>> No one in this list is hitting all three columns, however if you feel
>>strongly that any of them should be considered for core, now would be
>>the time to yell about it.
>>
>> My recommendation for July is:
>> Drop: Atsushi-san, and Gauvain
>
>We can always approve them again quickly if they want to join. But
>before removing, please discuss with them.
>
>> Add: no one
>>
>> Yay or nay?
>
>Yay,
>
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core Team Review - August 2016

[Alexandra Settle]

Yay from me :)

On 03/08/2016, 03:46, "Openstack-doc-core on behalf of Lana Brindley"
 wrote:

>Hi core team,
>
>Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>
>Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>Atsushi SAKAI
>Gauvain Pocentek
>Olga Gusarenko
>Stephen Gordon
>
>I know Olga has just returned from vacation, so even though this is her
>second appearance, we can discount her.
>
>This is the first appearance for the others, so no action required here,
>I believe.
>
>Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>Chen Xing (30 & 90 days only)
>Mahesh (90 days only)
>Chen Qiaomin (Contributions only)
>
>No one in this list is hitting all three columns, however if you feel
>strongly that any of them should be considered for core, now would be the
>time to yell about it.
>
>My recommendation for July is:
>Drop: no one
>Add: no one
>
>Yay or nay?
>
>Thanks,
>Lana
>
>1: This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
>months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):
>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hz
>l2_gfHp9bc0/edit?usp=sharing
>
>
>On 02/08/16 12:24, Lana Brindley wrote:
>> Hi core team,
>>
>> I was all set to do the core team review today, but it seems the
>>Russell Bryant stats have gone offline. I'll try again tomorrow, and if
>>they're still down then I'll use gerrit stats instead.
>>
>> Lana
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core Team Review - July 2016

[Alexandra Settle]

Anne makes a good point about Joseph, I’d like to see him on the core list
sometime - especially seeing as he has core experience on the docs-specs
team.

Perhaps reach out to Joseph and see if he feels up to the task/wants to be
core? :)

On 04/07/2016, 16:01, "Openstack-doc-core on behalf of Anne Gentle"
 wrote:

>One more note -- the contribution Stackalytics column link uses
>release=Liberty and when I change it to Newton, I get this for column
>D
>
>#ContributorCommits
>1KATO Tomoyuki ✻131
>2qiaomin03239
>3Chason32
>4venkatamahesh25
>5Christian Berendt22
>6Akihiro Motoki18
>7Andreas Jaeger ✻18
>8Anne Gentle10
>9Matt Kassawara ✻10
>10Stephen Finucane8
>
>On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 9:55 AM, Anne Gentle
> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Lana Brindley
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi core team,
>>>
>>> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>>>
>>> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>>> Anne Gentle
>>> Diane Fleming
>>> Olga Gusarenko
>>>
>>> This is highly irregular, and I suspect we can probably blame a
>>>combination of work being done on the api-site that isn't accurately
>>>tracked through gerrit and launchpad, and the northern hemisphere
>>>summer holidays.
>>
>> For Diane, she doesn't work on OpenStack any more, and hasn't set up a
>> home Windows compute successfully to review or contribute. I think
>> it's fine to drop her and may even be a relief to her. :) We still go
>> to lunch and she says she feels badly she can't contribute.
>>
>> For my story, I know I haven't been reviewing in openstack-manuals
>> that much and only contributing to the user-guide, contributor-guide,
>> and admin-guide. Still, I'm fine with staying a core reviewer for now.
>> The api-site repo has only the first app guide going in to it, with
>> very few reviews. That won't change much over time it seems.
>>
>>>
>>> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>>> Joseph Robinson (30 & 90 day reviews only)
>>
>> Since we skipped last month, how about inviting Joseph?
>>
>>> Chen Xing (30 & 90 day reviews only)
>>
>> Same here, since we skipped last month.
>>
>> Or, for both, offer coaching on what we're looking for -- more
>>contributions?
>>
>>> Cao Yuan (30 day reviews only)
>>
>> Looks like a good time to reach out to say hello and see what
>> interests are there to help them reach goals.
>>
>>> Mahesh (90 day reviews only)
>>
>> Could someone follow up with him to make sure he is okay with his
>> current involvement?
>>
>>> Brian Moss (Contributions only)
>>> Chen Qiaomin (Contributions only)
>>>
>>> No one in this list is hitting all three columns, however if you feel
>>>strongly that any of them should be considered for core, now would be
>>>the time to yell about it.
>>>
>>> My recommendation for July is:
>>> Drop: no one
>>> Add: no one
>>>
>>> Yay or nay?
>>
>> I can ask Diane if she'd prefer to be dropped. I'd like to consider
>> adding Joseph and Chen.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Anne
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lana
>>>
>>> 1: This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
>>> months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):
>>>
>>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hz
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Bug triaging issue

[Alexandra Settle]

One case study amongst many, I’m afraid, I have commented on at least one
patch a day for the last two weeks.
Everyone is trying to go by the book, but the book is not all too clear
for new contributors.

Summit session would be a great idea, there is no one answer to this
unfortunately complex problem.

I had an idea, and I want to float it by the core team. We could separate
half the core team into a triaging team, and the rest into reviews/patches
- we definitely have enough cores now. Every time the core team is
reviewed (quarterly), we mix it back up again.
Those that were triaging, move into the review/patch team, and vica versa.
It does mean that your stats will ebb and flow, but we can monitor that
appropriately if we keep track of who on the core team is doing what.

What do we think?



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>On 29/09/15 14:44, Lana Brindley wrote:
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>> Hash: SHA1
>>
>> On 29/09/15 16:30, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
>>> On 2015-09-29 07:20, Alexandra Settle wrote:
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I�ve been noticing in the last few months (and I�m sure it�s been a
>>>> problem before) that we have contributors submitting bug reports, and
>>>> then immediately fixing before triage,  or there are patches without
>>>> bugs (or blueprints) and it�s becoming quite confusing.
>>>>
>>>> I am finding that this is a problem because some of these bugs are
>>>> personal issues they�re finding with their individual builds, or on
>>>> occasion it is a bug that needs to be fixed and individuals are offer
>> ing
>>>> the wrong solutions and immediately trying to patch it up in the
>>>> documentation.
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I�m unsure how to solve this issue, and wondering if we c
>> an
>>>> get a think tank going on how to solve this.
>>>>
>>>> So far all I�ve been able to do is to remind contributors to wait for
>>   a
>>>> second individual to triage, or the patch is eventually abandoned due
>>   to
>>>> several negative reviews (which, ultimately encourages said contribut
>> or
>>>> not to come back because we look like a very negative community).
>>>>
>>>> We can do more �bug triaging days�, but not everyone is to give the t
>> ime
>>>> to this exercise.
>>>>
>>>> Thoughts? Suggestions? Comments? Questions?
>>>
>>> This is not a simple topic, thanks for raising it!
>>>
>>> Some OpenStack projects encourage this behaviour - if you send a patch
>>> without a bug, they often ask for a bug that you create and assign
>>> directly to you...
>>
>> Normally, this works, and we can trust people to use their best
>> judgement. I certainly don't want to enforce this for everyone, because
>> finding a typo or something trivial really doesn't need this level of
>> process. Recently, though, there's been a flurry of people finding and
>> 'fixing' things that are actually bugs, and I've had a few different
>> core team members point it out to me that we need to try and remind
>> people about triage for things like that.
>>
>>>
>>> Also, we have Documentation like
>>>   http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#working-on-bug
>> s
>>>   https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage
>>>
>>> Neither asks for an independent review.
>>
>> No, and neither should they, I think. I actually suspect the better way
>> to handle this is for our core team to be ever-vigilant, and make sure
>> we're checking for independent review on patches that require it. Most
>> of the culprits aren't regular committers, anyway, and I don't want to
>> alienate any of our regular group.
>>
>> I suspect this is a people problem, which we shouldn't try and fix
>> through extra processes, but by conversation and education.
>>
>>>
>>> I acknowledge the problems we have and I think this might be a broader
>>> topic to discuss - not on this limited list but perhaps together with
>>> developers on openstack-dev? Or in some cross-project meeting?
>>
>> Let's bring it up at Summit. I've applied for a cross-project session,
>> so if that gets approved, it might be a good place.
>>
>
>
>Case study: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228186
>
>Someone identifies and sends in a patch that fixes a technical problem,
>some outdated text - a one sentence change. Though the wording could
>perhaps be tweaked