Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core review stats in openstack-dev?
On 2018-01-18 16:47, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> No objections (
Agreed,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core review stats for December
On 2017-12-01 15:48, Petr Kovar wrote:
> [...]
> To sum up, my recommendation for September is:
>
> Drop: No one
> Add: No one
If this is also your December recommendation, I'm fine ;)
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Anne's plans
On 2017-11-01 20:37, Anne Gentle wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think it's best to let the docs team know first, that I don't plan
> to work on the next release of OpenStack. I think now's the time to
> make sure I'm clear about my intentions. And, I don't need any
> "docs-core for life" tattoos or anything. :)
You will still be remembered and associated with OpenStack docs. Anne,
thanks a lot for bootstrapping and leading the team for a long time!
>
> My appreciation for this group runs deep, and I want you all to know
> that I am always available for history, context, or plain old advice.
>
> I'm super happy to see the continuity in the work done, and the plan
> for the future. Well done, all.
Thanks to you, Anne!
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core review stats for November
On 2017-11-01 19:12, Petr Kovar wrote:
> Hi core team,
>
> Going forward, I think it's more sensible to only track the top 6 or 8
> contributions to openstack-manuals (currently we track the top 12), simply
> because openstack-manuals isn't seeing much traffic any more after the
> grand migration. Let me know if you have objections, recommendations, or
> comments on this.
>
> Below are the core reviewer stats for November [1]:
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>
> Nobody.
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>
> melissaml (99cloud)
> Dr. Jens Harbott (x-ion)
> qiaomin032 (99cloud)
> guoshan (Awcloud)
> Jay Bryant (Lenovo)
> Bruce Benjamin (Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory)
> KATO Tomoyuki (Fujitsu)
>
>
> To sum up, my recommendation for September is:
>
> Drop: No one
> Add: No one
Agreed,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [openstack-docs] Core review stats
On 2017-08-01 14:54, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> Hi core team,
>
>
>
> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>
>
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>
> * Olga Gusarenko
> * Olena Logvinova
> * Tom Fifield
>
>
>
> This is the second time, or more, for Olga, Olena, and Tom. I will reach
> out to Olena to ensure she has the time to work on and with the project.
> I did not hear back from Olga or Tom last month after reaching out. Olga
> unfortunately has not been appearing in any stats for a few months now,
> I will reach out and have a chat with her regarding the position. Tom
> also has not been appearing in the stats for the last few months. I will
> reach out again.
>
>
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>
>
>
> * Stephen Finucane (Contributions only)
> * Bruce Benjamin (30 and 90 days)
> * Melissaml (30 and 90 days)
> * Jay Bryant (Contributions only)
> * Adam Spiers (30 days)
> * Nicolas Bock (30 days)
>
>
>
> As per last month, I have reached out to Bruce and Melissa on several
> occasions. At this point I will discontinue reaching out to Bruce,
> however I will ask if Melissa has taken the time to look over the
> responsibilities of being core.
>
>
>
> My recommendation for April is:
>
>
>
> Drop: Tom Fifield, Olga Gusarenko
>
> Add: No one
>
>
>
> Yay or nay?
Yay,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March
On 2017-03-08 10:46, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> [...]
> My proposal still stands. With Brian included:
>
> Drop: no one
> Add: Chen Xing (Chason), Caoyuan, and Brian Moss
fine with me,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March
On 2017-03-07 11:21, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> Starting this again!
>
>
>
> Original email from 1/03/2017 below.
>
>
>
> -
>
>
>
> Hi core team,
>
>
>
> Lana and I just did the core team review together for March (I’m still
> getting my feet, bear with me!) Here's the core reviewer stats for this
> month[1].
>
>
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
>
> · Christian Berendt
>
> · Olena Logvinova
>
> · Shilla Saebi
>
>
>
> This is the first appearance Christian on this list, I understand that
> Shilla and Olena have been drawn to other projects recently, so their
> attentions have been diverted. I will reach out to these people
> individually, and we can reassess next month.
>
>
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
>
> · Caoyuan (All 3 columns)
>
> · bruce-benjamin (30 day reviews only)
>
> · malei (90 day reviews only)
>
> · cyrichardson (30 and 90 day review stats)
>
> · iphutch (30 and 90 day review stats)
>
> · Ankur Gupta (Top 12 contributors)
>
> · Emma Foley (Top 12 contributors)
>
> · Chason (All 3 columns)
We have Brian appearing in stats as well - 30 and 90 days reviews, as
well as commits.
He's not listed in colum F of your spreadsheet.
>
>
> Caoyuan and Chen Xing (Chason) are hitting all three columns. I think we
> should consider both Chason and Caoyuan. They are both regular
> appearances, and both have vastly improved their quality of reviews and
> contributions recently. Chason has also recently been very active on the
> MLs, and attended sessions remotely at the PTG.
>
>
>
> After some discussion, our recommendation for February is:
>
> · Drop: no one
>
> · Add: Chen Xing (Chason) and Caoyuan
>
>
>
> Yay or nay?
Let's look again at the data including Brian - and then tell me your
proposal, please,
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> 1: This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
>
> months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):
Do you mean this one?
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit#gid=959854526
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team review - March 2017
On 2017-03-07 10:54, Alexandra Settle wrote:
> I appear to be having email issues – can someone please confirm that this
> email is reaching them?
Received this email - but nothing earlier - neither Lana's nor yours,
Let's start the thread again, please,
Andreas
> Alex
>
> Okay, so, other than from Lana I have not heard anything from the team.
>
> I will wait until Wednesday (one full week) for people to reply. After
> that point, I will take an action :)
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alex
>
> On 3/3/17, 12:17 AM, "Lana Brindley" <openst...@lanabrindley.com> wrote:
>
> On 03/03/17 08:58, Alexandra Settle wrote:
>
>
>
> >
> > After some discussion, our recommendation for February is:
> >
> > · Drop: no one
> >
> > · Add: Chen Xing (Chason) and Caoyuan
> >
> >
> >
> > Yay or nay?
> >
>
> That's a yea from me :)
>
> L
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Review Rigour
On 11/08/2016 12:42 PM, Alexandra Settle wrote: > In theory I liked Anne’s idea, but I admit my poor heart probably could not > handle the amount of technical debt we’d essentially be lumping upon > ourselves. > > With that in mind, I think that’s a fair comment that we lower the barrier to > entry. I know I am terrible for nitpicking a patch within an inch of its > life. But I suppose that raises the question, where’s the line? > > We have the contributor guide for a reason – if someone fails to follow it > are we to start editing the patches ourselves to make the contributor feel at > ease, or are we just to let it through when it is ‘acceptable’? > If the second option is true, what counts as ‘acceptable’? Will we no longer > be relying as heavily on the contributor guide to ‘guide’ us? > > Playing devil’s advocate, say we lower the barrier to entry and we use the > edit function more freely – are we becoming the secretaries of the OpenStack > doc world? What line in the sand do we draw for cleaning up people’s > spelling/grammar errors? > > Sorry for all the questions! Just many thoughts running through my head. Let > it be known that I definitely think this is a good idea! But I suggest some > lines are drawn so we are all clearly on the same page. I think we have to balance. Looking for example at https://review.openstack.org/398309 . Here's my reasoning: +1 It's a completely new change, so better than what we have before +0 It does not build, we could fix it easily -1 But it's soo inconsistent that bringing it up to the quality level would requite -2 Not taking it yet since no contact is added to third-party vendor list. We agreed to not take these. So, gave a -1 with links to the above - and wait. If it were two or three small edits, I would have done it, Andreas > Cheers, > > Alex > > On 11/8/16, 1:09 AM, "Openstack-doc-core on behalf of Lana Brindley" > <openstack-doc-core-bounces+alexandra.settle=rackspace@lists.launchpad.net > on behalf of openst...@lanabrindley.com> wrote: > > Hi core team! > > There was some discussion at Summit about our review rigour, and about > how we can make improvements to our existing review system. There are some > high level notes in my email here: > http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-October/009268.html > > Anne had an intriguing proposal to run a special day (possibly over a > holiday weekend) where we allow anything and everything to pass, in an effort > to get new contributors. Personally, I think that might be too risky for the > heart health of our cores, but I do like the idea of dramatically lowering > the bar for contributions. We are somewhat notorious within the wider > OpenStack community as being overly nitpicky on our reviews. I appreciate > that some of that is about being good editors, and nitpicking pretty much > goes with the tech writing territory (I am as guilty as anyone). However, I > think we can all make a concerted effort to try and tackle this. > > We've often said it in a casual sense, but I'd like to propose that we > formalise the "is it better than what we already have" rule, (mentioned here: > http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/docs-review.html#core-reviewer-responsibilities) > so that we prioritise improvements over spelling and grammar. > > This can be balanced by the fact that it is now extremely easy to fix > nits as you are reviewing, with the inline editing tool. It is often quicker > and easier to edit a patch directly to fix typos than it is to write a > comment, -1, and wait for the original author. > > What do you think? Let's get this discussion rolling, and once we have > some solid ideas amongst this group, we'll widen the conversation to the > whole team, and update the Contributor Guide accordingly. > > Cheers, > Lana > > -- > Lana Brindley > Technical Writer > Rackspace Cloud Builders Australia > http://lanabrindley.com > > > > > > Rackspace Limited is a company registered in England & Wales (company > registered number 03897010) whose registered office is at 5 Millington Road, > Hyde Park Hayes, Middlesex UB3 4AZ. Rackspace Limited privacy policy can be > viewed at www.rackspace.co.uk/legal/privacy-policy - This e-mail message may > contain confidential or privileged information intended for the recipient. > Any dissemination, distribution or copying of the enclosed material is > prohibited. If you receive this transmission in error, please notify us > immediately by e-mail at ab...@rackspace.com and delete the original message. > Your cooperation is apprecia
Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team Review - September 2016
On 09/02/2016 04:31 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
> Hi core team,
>
> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> Atsushi SAKAI
> Gauvain Pocentek
>
> This is the second appearance in a row for both Atsushi-san and Gauvain.
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> Chen Xing (90 days only)
> Mahesh (Contributions only)
> Chen Qiaomin (Contributions only)
> Cao Yuan (30 & 90 days only)
> wangqi (30 days only)[2]
> malei (30 days only)[3]
> Akihiro Motoki
> Stephen Finucane
>
> No one in this list is hitting all three columns, however if you feel
> strongly that any of them should be considered for core, now would be the
> time to yell about it.
>
> My recommendation for July is:
> Drop: Atsushi-san, and Gauvain
We can always approve them again quickly if they want to join. But
before removing, please discuss with them.
> Add: no one
>
> Yay or nay?
Yay,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core Team Review - July 2016
On 07/04/2016 05:39 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
> Hi core team,
>
> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> Anne Gentle
> Diane Fleming
> Olga Gusarenko
>
> This is highly irregular, and I suspect we can probably blame a combination
> of work being done on the api-site that isn't accurately tracked through
> gerrit and launchpad, and the northern hemisphere summer holidays.
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> Joseph Robinson (30 & 90 day reviews only)
> Chen Xing (30 & 90 day reviews only)
> Cao Yuan (30 day reviews only)
> Mahesh (90 day reviews only)
> Brian Moss (Contributions only)
> Chen Qiaomin (Contributions only)
>
> No one in this list is hitting all three columns, however if you feel
> strongly that any of them should be considered for core, now would be the
> time to yell about it.
>
> My recommendation for July is:
> Drop: no one
I suggest dropping Diane - but that can wait a month as well.
> Add: no one
>
> Yay or nay?
Yay-ish,
Andreas
> Thanks,
> Lana
>
> 1: This lives in a spreadsheet, which you can see here (note that the
> months are in tabs at the bottom of the page):
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hz
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>
>
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Training Guides/Labs Core Team
On 06/15/2016 12:52 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> It was recently brought to my attention that the core teams for Training
> Guides[1] and Training Labs[2] are out of date.
>
> I'd like to propose that we keep the speciality team leads (Matjaž for
> Guides, Pranav and Roger for Labs) listed as cores, but then include the
> openstack-doc-core team [3] as well. This will mean the list stays up to date
> over time, without a whole lot of manual pruning.
>
> What does everyone think?
It would be great to have docs team as fallback but I don't expect me to
review either of these with the exception of infrastructure changes -
and for some of these it would have been helpful in the past ;)
> (And yes, I know I didn't do a core team review this month. Next month for
> sure!)
>
> L
>
> 1:
> https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/uuid-3490bf37012cb344104cb315f3dd5c76dabea62f,members
> 2: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/1118,members
Looking at stackalytics reviews for Mitaka and Newton, I agree to remove
everybody except Matjaz. What about adding Ian Y. Choi?
> 3: https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/30,members
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[Openstack-doc-core] ha-guide extra cores?
Hi,
if we do not merge the ha-guide to openstack-manuals and keep a separate
team - which I think would be a good idea if there's interest -, I
propose to add Adam Spiers as core. He hasn't reviewed much so far but I
talked with him and this might be just the push he needs.
I know this is unusual, so send this to the smaller list here for you to
discuss openly.
Note, that he's a colleague of mine - one of SUSE's HA experts. He's
also currently forming the openstack-ha community that has regular IRC
meetings,
Andreas
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core Team Review - March 2016
On 2016-03-03 01:19, Lana Brindley wrote:
> Hi core team,
>
> Here's the core reviewer stats for this month[1]:
>
> Current cores not appearing in any stats:
> Matthew Kassawara
>
> Matt has been working hard on Install Guide testing (which doesn’t run
> through Gerrit), so this is expected. It’s also expected to impact the
> stats of other core reviewers involved in that task.
>
> Current non-cores appearing in stats:
> Zhu Rong (Contributions only)
> venkatamahesh (30 and 90 day reviews)
>
> Same comments as last month regarding Mahesh. However, if you feel there
> has been significant improvement, or you would like to discuss Mahesh’s
> reviews more generally, this would be the time to do it.
>
> My recommendation for September is:
> Drop: no one
> Add: no one
>
> Yay or nay?
Ja,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core team Review - February 2016
On 02/08/2016 06:05 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
> [...]
My recommendation for September is:
Drop: Alexander Adamov
Add: no one
Yay or nay?
Yay,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] [OpenStack-docs] Liberty Release Tasks
On 2015-10-12 08:56, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On 2015-10-12 08:35, Lana Brindley wrote:
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We now have an etherpad where we're tracking the Liberty release tasks
for docs:
https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Liberty_ReleaseTasks
After the release, I'll go through and update
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release with any extra
info.
Please sign up for open tasks and add what you consider is missing - and
help with reviewing ;)
I'm preparing a "final" openstackdocstheme release for Liberty, is there
anything else that should go in?
I just added the following to the etherpad but wanted to point it out
here as well:
Note: We use for all patches that get released on Thursday the topics
"liberty-release-day", complete list is therefore:
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals+branch:master+topic:liberty-release-day,n,z
Please adjust topics for this,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Bug triaging issue
Let me open a side discussion:
I also see far too many bug reports getting asked for.
We have been liberal about "obvious" bugs. So, a typo does not need a
bug report. A one-line addition of an OpenStack project that is part of
the big tent to a list of repos doesn't need one (a complete new chapter
needs IMHO something) etc.
Some people just create those but let's not complicate contribution and
if a patch is obvious, include it.
There's no sense to create a bug report "like X is missing in list Y"
and then confirm it, and fix it.
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Bug triaging issue
On 2015-09-29 07:20, Alexandra Settle wrote:
Hi everyone,
I’ve been noticing in the last few months (and I’m sure it’s been a
problem before) that we have contributors submitting bug reports, and
then immediately fixing before triage, or there are patches without
bugs (or blueprints) and it’s becoming quite confusing.
I am finding that this is a problem because some of these bugs are
personal issues they’re finding with their individual builds, or on
occasion it is a bug that needs to be fixed and individuals are offering
the wrong solutions and immediately trying to patch it up in the
documentation.
Personally, I’m unsure how to solve this issue, and wondering if we can
get a think tank going on how to solve this.
So far all I’ve been able to do is to remind contributors to wait for a
second individual to triage, or the patch is eventually abandoned due to
several negative reviews (which, ultimately encourages said contributor
not to come back because we look like a very negative community).
We can do more “bug triaging days”, but not everyone is to give the time
to this exercise.
Thoughts? Suggestions? Comments? Questions?
This is not a simple topic, thanks for raising it!
Some OpenStack projects encourage this behaviour - if you send a patch
without a bug, they often ask for a bug that you create and assign
directly to you...
Also, we have Documentation like
http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#working-on-bugs
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage
Neither asks for an independent review.
I acknowledge the problems we have and I think this might be a broader
topic to discuss - not on this limited list but perhaps together with
developers on openstack-dev? Or in some cross-project meeting?
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Labs/Training Guides
I suggest that we also change the way we handle the training guides.
They have been for ages a project incutating as part of documentation
team. Now, we have the specialty teams - and the big tent.
So, let's do either of the following:
* The trainings team applies for the big tent as official OpenStack team
* The trainings team becomes a normal specialty team of OpenStack
documentation.
but let's make it clear what the team is and not continue on this very
special status that outlived itself,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Labs/Training Guides
On 2015-08-05 08:37, Lana Brindley wrote:
[...]
The only published training guides right now are the Icehouse guides
(http://docs.openstack.org/icehouse/training-guides/content/), which are
out of date, and unmaintained. We intend to take these down until (if)
we can find a group willing to update and maintain them.
Since those are from the old icehouse branch, let me remove them from
our website completely.
Here's a patch for the openstack-manuals:
https://review.openstack.org/209770
I'll also ask the infra cores to remove the icehouse branch from
training-guides.
Here's a patch that stops publishing from the icehouse branch:
https://review.openstack.org/209776
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core List - August 2015
On 2015-08-05 08:14, Lana Brindley wrote:
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On 05/08/15 15:38, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On 08/05/2015 05:15 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
It's that time of the month again!
Here's the core reviewer stats for August[1]:
Current cores not appearing in any stats:
none[2]
Current non-cores appearing in stats:
KATO Tomoyuki (30 and 60 day reviews, and commits)
Atsushi SAKAI (30 day reviews only)
Karen Bradshaw (Commits only)
Brian Moss (Commits only)
Karen and Brian are both reviewing as well:
http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=kbhawkey
http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=bmoss
Could you check these numbers and update your spreadsheet, please?
According to the russellbryant stats, Karen is at #22 for 30 days and
#23 for 90 days, and Brian is at #13 for 30 days, and #16 for 90 days.
So yes, I agree they're both reviewing, but they're not in the top 12.
Ah. I understood your message above as saying that they did not review
at all - while you wanted to say reviews not in top 12...
Everything is fine, KATO has my +1 then,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core List - July 2015
On 07/03/2015 01:14 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
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Hi Docs Cores,
Here's the core reviewer stats for July[1]:
Current cores not appearing in any stats:
Alexander Adamov
Stephen Gordon
Current non-cores appearing in stats:
to222 (30 day reviews only)[2]
Alex Settle (30 90 day reviews, and commits)
Olena Logvinova (30 90 day reviews)
Helimaniac (30 day reviews only)[2]
Brian Moss (30 day reviews, and commits)
KATO Tomoyuki (commits only)
KATO is Helimaniac, see below.
Regarding Alexander, he is currently #16 in 30 day, #19 in 90 day, and
#86 in commits. Given that this is the second month in a row that his
stats have been quite poor, I propose we drop him for now. Of course,
this doesn't preclude him becoming core again later on if his commits
pick up.
Regarding Steve, he is currently #14 in 30 day, #16 in 90 day, and #76
in commits. I propose that we keep Steve as core, as he's a long-time
core, and it's entirely possible he's just had a bad month.
Regarding additions, I think Alex Settle, Olena Logvinova, and Brian
Moss are all eligible. If we accept all of them, that brings our total
core group to 15, which I feel is a little large. As Brian is a very new
contributor and only just scraped in at number 12 on both the lists he
appears in, I would like to encourage him to keep up the good work, and
consider him for core next month.
My recommendation, therefore, is:
Drop: Alexander
Add: Alex Olena
Yay or nay?
Yah
Thanks,
Lana
1: For ease of reference, I've put this all into a spreadsheet, which
you can see here (note that the months are in tabs at the bottom of the
page):
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15rPHjQ3BKYsImLqKWlW1BD-NfMKzh9Hzl2_gfHp9bc0/edit?usp=sharing
2: I couldn't locate real names for these users. Can anyone enlighten me?
I tried:
https://review.openstack.org/#/q/reviewer:to222,n,z
which lead me to https://review.openstack.org/197793 - and then looking
at the reviewers, I found *both* reviewing that change:
http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=ccannon
http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=kato-tomoyuki
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Ironic docs Service name standards
On 06/25/2015 04:10 PM, Anne Gentle wrote: On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:17 AM, Andreas Jaeger a...@suse.com mailto:a...@suse.com wrote: On 06/25/2015 12:04 PM, Steve Gordon wrote: - Original Message - From: Andreas Jaeger a...@suse.com mailto:a...@suse.com To: Lana Brindley openst...@lanabrindley.com mailto:openst...@lanabrindley.com, openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net mailto:openstack-doc-core@lists.launchpad.net On 06/25/2015 02:16 AM, Lana Brindley wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi everyone, First of all, I'm sorry that the Ironic docs thing has turned into a bit of a disaster. I had no idea that we were going to end up in a standards argument over this, but I'm still hopeful that we can see a path through this. The problem: A number of patches (mostly created by Shilla, if I'm not mistaken) are now being blocked in the Ironic repo by an Ironic core who doesn't agree with our standards. While they're certainly entitled to question our standards, blocking the patches means that other good work is not getting merged. The solution: I'm not certain. Right now, what I want to do is send email to Devananda (the Ironic PTL) with a list of the patches being blocked, so we can determine if there's a way we can appease the Ironic core team's concerns over standards. Shilla (and others who have a patch out on this), can you please send me a list of the patches currently being blocked? The fallout: We're already arguing about the standard in question on our own list, and the community seems deeply divided. I personally don't care about the capitalisation of service names, and am happy to enforce whatever the community decides. That said, I feel as though the community is unlikely to come to a solid conclusion on this. Do cores have an opinion? If there is a strong tendency amongst this group, perhaps it's easier to just go with that and adjust accordingly. Please feel free to debate this topic on this thread. So, this is Ironic vs ironic? I think what needs to be worked out with a project is that our conventions are enforced if we work together. Like there are hacking rules for code which a core team reviews, there are documentation rules that are under the Documentation team (btw. going to a reviewed style guide would help with the story;)! On the Ironic vs ironic: While I prefer the lower-case, I see upper-case everywhere. It's the number one change that I request during reviews. If we want to enforce our documentation style everywhere, it might be better to not enforce the capitalization or change the rule. So, I'm willing to change my vote if that is needed to adopt the Doc style everywhere ;) Anne, is the Doc style adoption a TC discussion? What do we need to make our style guide better consumable by other projects? Andreas This is the patch in question: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194230/1/reference/projects.yaml It's about Bare metal service versus Bare Metal service. Thanks! Ah, that one ;( So, it's Bare metal service vs Bare Metal service vs Bare Metal Service. We did a couple of consistency changes there and might need to go - as mentioned in the review - over the complete list to have consistency. And that discussion we need to have and I think Docs should have final say on it - but up for the TC, Yes, it is up to the TC but they certainly want docs team input. I've put my input on the patch itself: --- For context: we are in this situation because of legal names, where some of the original governance allowed projects to use OpenStack in the docs as part of their name very early on. So, sometimes the phrasing needed service to help with readability. Also, legally we were required to use module due to branding with the OpenStack name. So, the convention is: * Uppercase first letter of first word only. * Do
Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core List - June 2015
On 06/01/2015 02:24 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
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Hi cores,
I've just taken a look at the reviewer stats, as per the new core team
process
(https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Achieving_core_reviewer_status),
and here's what I found:
Current cores not appearing in 30 or 90 day stats:
Alexander Adamov
Bryan D. Payne
Summer Long
Current appearances in 30 or 90 days stats not core:
Alexandra Settle (appears in 30 day, but not 90)
Daniel Houghton (appears in 30 day, but not 90)
Are you sure? I think this is daz and that's Darren Chan.
ologvinova (appears in 90 day but not 30)
I would like to get the current number of cores from 15 to 13 (12 core
team + PTL), so I would like to propose dropping Bryan Payne and Summer
Long, and not adding anyone else at this stage. I don't want to drop
Agreed on Bryan and Summer.
Alexander at this point, for a couple of reasons: he is actually at #13
on the 90 day stats, so he only just missed out, and also that he's a
new core, and I feel we should give him a chance. I will email him
directly to discuss this. As for adding people, I would like to see
Yes, please discuss with him.
people in both 30 and 90 day stats before we add them, as it shows
commitment over time. If you agree, I'll email the three people
identified here to encourage them to continue the good work, though.
I would also be fine with adding Alexandra in. She is no. 13 in the 90
day stats. But I'm also fine with waiting another month.
What are we going to do - if we stay with 13 cores - if Alexandra and
Darren continue? I'm not sure whether the number 13 here should be that
magic if it would mean kicking out somehow active folks.
Or do we want some kind of measure on contribution that would decide on
the growth?
We can postpone this discussion for a month as well ;)
Votes yay or nay?
Yay - your proposal is fine.
Thanks,
Andreas
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core List - June 2015
On 06/01/2015 08:53 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
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On 01/06/15 16:05, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On 06/01/2015 02:24 AM, Lana Brindley wrote:
Hi cores,
I've just taken a look at the reviewer stats, as per the new core team
process
(https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Achieving_core_reviewer_status),
and here's what I found:
Current cores not appearing in 30 or 90 day stats:
Alexander Adamov
Bryan D. Payne
Summer Long
Current appearances in 30 or 90 days stats not core:
Alexandra Settle (appears in 30 day, but not 90)
Daniel Houghton (appears in 30 day, but not 90)
Are you sure? I think this is daz and that's Darren Chan.
It is Daz, yes, which is Daniel Houghton. Darren Chan is dazzachan.
Lana, where are you checking?
I do not know any Daniel Houghton.
But I find Darren:
http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=daz
ologvinova (appears in 90 day but not 30)
I would like to get the current number of cores from 15 to 13 (12 core
team + PTL), so I would like to propose dropping Bryan Payne and Summer
Long, and not adding anyone else at this stage. I don't want to drop
Agreed on Bryan and Summer.
Alexander at this point, for a couple of reasons: he is actually at #13
on the 90 day stats, so he only just missed out, and also that he's a
new core, and I feel we should give him a chance. I will email him
directly to discuss this. As for adding people, I would like to see
Yes, please discuss with him.
Will do.
people in both 30 and 90 day stats before we add them, as it shows
commitment over time. If you agree, I'll email the three people
identified here to encourage them to continue the good work, though.
I would also be fine with adding Alexandra in. She is no. 13 in the 90
day stats. But I'm also fine with waiting another month.
Anyone else feel that Alex should be invited? As she reports to me, I
don't want to be seen to be biased here, so I'd like a few people to
agree that it's the way forward before I do so.
What are we going to do - if we stay with 13 cores - if Alexandra and
Darren continue? I'm not sure whether the number 13 here should be that
magic if it would mean kicking out somehow active folks.
No, I think we can be flexible around this number.
Or do we want some kind of measure on contribution that would decide on
the growth?
I'm happy to go back and take contributions into account as well, if
that's what people want. It just won't be until tomorrow now.
We can wait and see how this works out ;)
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core List - June 2015
On 06/01/2015 02:47 PM, Anne Gentle wrote:
I'd like to see both Darren and Alex as core, I don't think there's a
magic number so we should trust our collective gut.
This is more in regard: If those two join and we want to keep the number
of cores constant, then others have to leave. And that would be people
that are reviewing but on a lower rate than these two... Removing cores
that are not active at all is easy, it becomes tricky if you want to
exchange.
Btw. I'm also fine with both in general,
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Core reviewer process change
On 05/28/2015 02:47 PM, Anne Gentle wrote:
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Andreas Jaeger a...@suse.com
mailto:a...@suse.com wrote:
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Hi everyone,
On the back of the 'Team Structure' Design Summit session, I've
decided
to implement the new core reviewer process as discussed. I've
written it
up on the HowTo:
https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Achieving_core_reviewer_status
Please keep in mind that the stackalytics URL you give includes
security-doc and training-guides which have separate core teams, so
double check the entries.
I suggest to use reviewstats instead since it uses only the doc-core
repositories:
http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/docs-reviewers-30.txt
http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/docs-reviewers-90.txt
See also:
http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/reviewstats/tree/projects/docs.json
I'll initiate the first round of statistics-based approvals on
Monday,
so now is the time to yell if you don't like this plan, or think
I have
something backwards. Of course, if we do this once or twice and
decide
it sucks, then we can always change it in the future, too.
Let's see how it works out ;) I'll yell when I see comments.
Btw. I think our last additions were a bit premature, I don't see
Alexander at all in the last 30 days ;(
Ah, good point.
Lana, your write up is very oriented toward achievement and I think
that you'll need to also add how we want to rotate people off of core.
Also, on timing. Is every month a bit too much churn especially once you
start removing people from core?
If we look at 30 and 90 stats, it shoiuld fine. People sure take
vacations and shouldn't be removed for one month of inactivity.
And then lastly, the debate always occurs about how core is not a
badge but a review responsibility. How can we make it less of an
achievement and more of a responsibility in the write-up?
I agree. core is really an extra responsibility!
Thanks for doing this work -- definitely needed.
+1 ;)
Andreas
Anne
How can we encourage and keep new comers? I suggest to reach out to
him and ask...
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[Openstack-doc-core] Cacoon for diagram?
Change
https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185321/5 brings in a graph with a short
goo.gl URL that confused me - it points to the source at cacoon.
I rather prefer to have the source in our repos than linking to an
online tool - so, adding the SVG in addition would be fine for me.
Also, I'm not sure that the URL should be in the graph.
Please have a look and tell me whether I worry to much ;).
thanks,
Andreas
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Re: [Openstack-doc-core] Welcome Andreas Jaeger to doc-core!
Anne Gentle kindly wrote:
Hi all,
Andreas Jaeger has been doing wonderful work on the openstack-manuals repo,
clean up, bug fixes, automation, and reviews. He has graciously accepted
the invitation to join the OpenStack docs core group.
Thanks Andreas for all the hard work! Welcome to the team.
Thanks a lot for the warm welcome and help I've received in the last
weeks, please help me further on ;)
Andreas
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