Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE 10.1 sources DVD

2006-06-03 Thread jdd
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: We have two source DVDs lying around -- but as of now they didn't get pushed out to the mirrors. And I'd actually prefer to just offer .jigdo files for those, as the .src.rpms are in the ftp anyway. From a mirroring point of view, some jiggledy-scripty which downloads

Re: [opensuse-factory] Using LVM by default for new installations?

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 01:48, schreef Pascal Bleser: I don't recall 100%, but from what I remember: when you want to combine RAID1 and LVM, in YaST2, you first have to create the RAID1 (obviously). Then, don't assign it (/dev/md0) anywhere ! It is assigned by default AFAICR, so you have to

Re: [opensuse-factory] hello

2006-06-03 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Harry ten Berge wrote: Anybody here? No. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [opensuse-factory] hello

2006-06-03 Thread Harry ten Berge
Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: Hi, On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Harry ten Berge wrote: Anybody here? No. Cheers -e :-) I'm sorry. I subscribed this morning, and nothing was happening. But now it is... Regards Harry - To unsubscribe,

Re: [opensuse-factory] hello

2006-06-03 Thread jdd
Harry ten Berge wrote: :-) I'm sorry. I subscribed this morning, and nothing was happening. But now it is... http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse-factory/2006-Jun/ jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/galerie_photo_web/expo/index.html http://lucien.dodin.net

Re: [opensuse-factory] SUSE 10.1 sources DVD

2006-06-03 Thread Christoph Thiel
On Sat, 3 Jun 2006, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: We have two source DVDs lying around -- but as of now they didn't get pushed out to the mirrors. And I'd actually prefer to just offer .jigdo files for those, as the .src.rpms are in the ftp anyway. From a mirroring point of view, some

Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread jdd
Would be nice if you could tell ksmarttray to update certain channels (most notably ~/suse/update/10.1 of course) when checking for updates. and probably using different words for similar thinbgs add to the mess. what are those channels? I already had problem undersdtanding what are the

Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray (was: Package management tool confusion)

2006-06-03 Thread Michael Schueller
Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 01:31 schrieb Pascal Bleser: Michael Schueller wrote: Am Freitag, 2. Juni 2006 21:52 schrieb Marcus Meissner: On a side note: do you know if there are plans to develop a KDE native updater applet? Yes. We even have found a student who wants to do it ;)

Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray (was: Package management tool confusion)

2006-06-03 Thread Michael Schueller
Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 01:31 schrieb Pascal Bleser: It's very simple though, it just calls smart update on a regular basis (interval is hardcoded in the sources), checks the output and reports it. So it's a lot like SuSE-watcher. If someone with some KDE hacking skills would like to spend a

[opensuse] Front page defacing

2006-06-03 Thread Kenneth Aar, Grafikern.no
Hi Could someone with write access to the front page of opensuse.org fix the downloadimage? Someone has changed the image from an arrow to a girl with a phone or something. -- Kenneth Aar

Re: [opensuse] Front page defacing

2006-06-03 Thread James Ogley
Could someone with write access to the front page of opensuse.org fix the downloadimage? Someone has changed the image from an arrow to a girl with a phone or something. Maybe someone got there quick, but it looks fine to me. -- James Ogley [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://usr-local-bin.org Packages

Re: [opensuse] Live Installer DVD

2006-06-03 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Friday 02 June 2006 20:16, Marcus Meissner wrote: On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 05:08:48PM -0200, Alexey Eremenko wrote: If Ubuntu Dapper Knoppix solved that issue - I *really* wish the same for SUSE 10.2. Our Promo DVD offers Live + Install. Don't know if we have it ready yet. I've been

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Michael Schueller
Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 16:27 schrieb BandiPat: Updating to the KDE3 3.5.3 files will even give you errors about digikam kdelibs3.  Installing the digikam in the updates cures the problem, but of course when you use yast2 or other updater later, it wants to replace the new files with the

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread BandiPat
On Saturday 03 June 2006 10:32, Michael Schueller wrote: Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 16:27 schrieb BandiPat: Updating to the KDE3 3.5.3 files will even give you errors about digikam kdelibs3.  Installing the digikam in the updates cures the problem, but of course when you use yast2 or other

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Michael Schueller
Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 16:46 schrieb BandiPat: On Saturday 03 June 2006 10:32, Michael Schueller wrote: Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 16:27 schrieb BandiPat: [...] Thanks guys, Michael Graham, For telling me things I already knew! Except maybe for the screensaver thing. I thought someone

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Graham Anderson
On Saturday 03 June 2006 15:46, BandiPat wrote: Thanks guys, Michael Graham, For telling me things I already knew! Except maybe for the screensaver thing. I thought someone from SUSE on another list said QT3 .119 fixed this, but guess not. If you knew that the supplementary repositories

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Stephan Binner
On Saturday 03 June 2006 16:27, BandiPat wrote: seems to have missed. Updating to the KDE3 3.5.3 files will even give you errors about digikam kdelibs3. Installing the digikam in the but one would hope a few things get fixed along the way, not more problems introduced. The above problem

Re: [opensuse] About repositories and package managers

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 01:34:29PM +0200, jdd wrote: I will certainly manage to make a wiki page with this (from the newbie point of view, and I will post the URL for you to fix errors :-) Instead of making a new one, adapt the existing ones: http://en.opensuse.org/Installation_Sources

Re: [opensuse] Package management tool confusion

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 01:20:02PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote: This means, for instance, it's important to convince those people at Novell/SUSE in charge of the release that major changes in a late beta stage are not acceptable from a user's perspective. In our company, nobody would come up

Re: [opensuse] Producing Open Source Software

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 01:29:50PM +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote: I am not sure whether this has been mentioned here before (could not find anything in the archive) - if so, I apologise for this repetition. There is a free book about OSS development: Producing Open Source Software

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 10:27:08AM -0400, BandiPat wrote: Hi all, Just finished doing the updates for KDE3 and associated files, but noticed a little problem. snip Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support for now and in the future. openSUSE is the comunity and

[opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread William Biggs
I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 01:14:36PM -0400, William Biggs wrote: I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start snip Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support for now and in the future. openSUSE is

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Renegade Penguin
Please stop posting like this. The postings referring elsewhare are becoming trolling, unfortunately, due to their excessive nature. Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off. Orienting to the community should be a positive experience.

RE: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Alain Black
-Original Message- From: William Biggs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 10:15 AM To: opensuse@opensuse.org Subject: [opensuse] error I get this error evertime I boot up. How can I get this to do it buy it self ? /usr/sbin/rcpowersaved start # chkconfig

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread jdd
Renegade Penguin wrote: Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off. The openSUSE wiki is clear enough http://en.opensuse.org/Communicate#Mailing_Lists questions off chart asked here won't probably receive answers, so redirecting to an

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Martin Schlander
Lørdag 03 juni 2006 19:48 skrev Renegade Penguin: Please stop posting like this. The postings referring elsewhare are becoming trolling, unfortunately, due to their excessive nature. Isn't building community helping others? Excessive policing of others can really be a turn-off. We need to

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Renegade Penguin
I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully result

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:01:39PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote: Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and help some but not others? Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 11:21:45AM -0700, Renegade Penguin wrote: I actually did have a good idea, and posted it. The occasional helpful issue is pretty good. Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used. I did this in the

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:25:37PM +0200, houghi wrote: snip 2) If you do, also include a pointer to the correct list. I have changed my signature. Is the mail that you get when you subscribe also saying something similar? If not, it might be included there, so we can point people to that mail.

Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread Richard Bos
Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 15:45, schreef Pascal Bleser: The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command: smart --install channel-whatever name It's even easier to provide .channel files somewhere (like the .repo files in the Build Service), and just do smart channel

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread jdd
houghi wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 08:25:37PM +0200, houghi wrote: snip 2) If you do, also include a pointer to the correct list. I have changed my signature. it's hopeless. I beg people write from the archives, not from the wiki and do not read really anithing before posting :-(

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 12:53:05PM -0700, Renegade Penguin wrote: Please do not toppost. I think this is a better solution that JDD has proposed. Houghi gets all upset when valid constructive criticism is made, insisting he is right, makes demands that all correspondence be directly on

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread Scott Kitterman
When I've been in similar situation on other lists, I've tried an approach along the lines of: I think the answer to your question may be X, but the appropriate list for that kind of discussion is ___. You'll have more luck if you follow up there. That points the person in the right

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 04:48:07PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: It's a middle ground that I've seen work well both to keep lists on topic and to make people feel welcome. Unfortunatly I have see it fail on lists. People just kept posting more and more, because their questions where answerd

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread BandiPat
On Saturday 03 June 2006 13:01, houghi wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 10:27:08AM -0400, BandiPat wrote: Hi all, Just finished doing the updates for KDE3 and associated files, but noticed a little problem. snip Do not take this as a flame. It is intend to get you the best support for now

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread BandiPat
On Saturday 03 June 2006 12:38, Stephan Binner wrote: On Saturday 03 June 2006 16:27, BandiPat wrote: seems to have missed. Updating to the KDE3 3.5.3 files will even give you errors about digikam kdelibs3. Installing the digikam in the but one would hope a few things get fixed along

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 02:14:55PM -0700, Renegade Penguin wrote: snip plonk houghi -- This openSUSE mailinglist is about the community. All discussion about the community is welcome.If you have a techical question just subscribe via this email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED],

[opensuse] Build servide updates too fast (Was: KDE supplementary moved to Build Service)

2006-06-03 Thread Vitaly Shishakov
I also noticed, that sometimed during update process a new version of a package appears, (usually -- change in last version digit) and i have to constantly click continue on every error message during a long and slow update, and after that start all over, and have a nive time resolving

Re: [opensuse] SuSE-watcher/ksmarttray

2006-06-03 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Richard Bos wrote: Op zaterdag 3 juni 2006 15:45, schreef Pascal Bleser: The idea behind this is to be able to add a channel using the command: smart --install channel-whatever name It's even easier to provide .channel files somewhere (like the

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Sven Burmeister
Moin! Am Samstag, 3. Juni 2006 18:38 schrieb Stephan Binner: The above problem doesn't exist in Factory btw. You're using unsupported experimental stuff which is known to have problems (like above or splash still containing a 3.5.1 graphic or not everything getting translated). He is using

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 BandiPat wrote: On Saturday 03 June 2006 11:08, Graham Anderson wrote: On Saturday 03 June 2006 15:46, BandiPat wrote: Thanks guys, Michael Graham, For telling me things I already knew! Except maybe for the screensaver thing. I thought someone

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Pascal Bleser
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Renegade Penguin wrote: Renegade Penguin, again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying, now *I* have to fix your email layout. And using real names is much nicer BTW ;) Martin Schlander wrote: Either we help with technical problems on this

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread Carl-Daniel Hailfinger
Renegade Penguin wrote: Scott is right. Houghi, quit trying to defend yourself here. Just try it his way for a while. That is MY experience - I side with Scott. You obviously haven't been on this list for a long time. Houghi's way is the only way that has worked here and I'm thankful he

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 01:08:32AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: snip I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them. 100% ACK Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread BandiPat
On Saturday 03 June 2006 18:48, Pascal Bleser wrote: [...] Well, Lee, I have to add that introducing a mail with something like fix it or I'm moving to slackware, that's probably supposed to be some form of threatening, is definitely.. how am I going to say this while staying polite... bad

Re: [opensuse] Anything right about 10.1?

2006-06-03 Thread Andreas Hanke
Hi, Sven Burmeister schrieb: He is using the least risky way in order to be able to test new KDE versions for the next SuSE release and hence helps fixing bugs and thus contributes to the quality of a SuSE product, i.e. something those that do not test newer versions of KDE profit from.

Re: [opensuse] error

2006-06-03 Thread Jerry Westrick
On Sunday 04 June 2006 01:08, Pascal Bleser wrote: Renegade Penguin wrote: Renegade Penguin, again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying, now *I* have to fix your email layout. And using real names is much nicer BTW ;) (As annoying as the bottom post is to us?) Sorry couldn't resist,

[opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hi, Some keep chastising questions of substance about SuSE Linux 10.1 posted to this list, saying repeatedly that this list is about the community. I, for the life of me, have no idea what this means. What's OK to discuss here? How things are going with the spouse and kids? How well groomed

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread Jerry Westrick
On Saturday 03 June 2006 23:14, Renegade Penguin wrote: Scott is right. Houghi, quit trying to defend yourself here. Just try it his way for a while. That is MY experience - I side with Scott. RP houghi wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 04:48:07PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: It's a

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 05:02:32AM +0200, Jerry Westrick wrote: Maybe we can cross post the users message for them? with a note like that is a lot shorter? Something like: I would like that. I think however it is not possible to do it like in Newsgroup where you do a crosspost and then set the

Re: [opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 05:24:53PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: Hi, Some keep chastising questions of substance about SuSE Linux 10.1 posted to this list, saying repeatedly that this list is about the community. I, for the life of me, have no idea what this means. To me the openSUSE

Re: [opensuse] opensuse 10.1 runs out of memory, then kernel panic

2006-06-03 Thread Marcus Rueckert
hi, On 2006-06-02 11:41:25 -0700, Kevin Lewandowski wrote: Hello, I've installed opensuse 10.1 (amd64) on a new system and it hangs after a few hours of being up. The hardware is dual Opteron with 4 gigs of ram. After booting the system there are no applications running but my available

Re: [opensuse] Producing Open Source Software

2006-06-03 Thread Marcus Rueckert
On 2006-06-03 13:29:50 +0100, Thomas Hertweck wrote: I am not sure whether this has been mentioned here before (could not find anything in the archive) - if so, I apologise for this repetition. http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2006-May/0804.html darix -- openSUSE - SUSE

Re: [opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread PatrickM
houghi wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 05:24:53PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: Hi, Some keep chastising questions of substance about SuSE Linux 10.1 posted to this list, saying repeatedly that this list is about the community. I, for the life of me, have no idea what this means.

Re: [opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread Randall R Schulz
Hello, On Saturday 03 June 2006 17:42, houghi wrote: On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 05:24:53PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: Hi, Some keep chastising questions of substance about SuSE Linux 10.1 posted to this list, saying repeatedly that this list is about the community. I, for the life of

Re: [opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 07:51:59PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: To me the openSUSE community (because I asume that is what we are talking about) are all people directly or indirecty involved with the use of SUSE. Devlopers and Users alike. Fine, but it doesn't answer the question about

Re: [opensuse] What is Community?

2006-06-03 Thread houghi
On Sat, Jun 03, 2006 at 09:23:21PM -0700, Randall R Schulz wrote: I truly do not. I see no need whatsoever to have an email forum about the community. OK. so you do not think that the community as such needs anything else? There is a technology project and the valid topics should be that

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread Rajko M
houghi wrote: Not wanting to highjack a thread, I start a new one. People having issues with the wording of my standard reply, please tell me *here* what it should be. As I believe this is (unfortunatly) on-topic here, I won't reply to any personal mails concerning this subject. What else

Re: [opensuse] mailing list issues

2006-06-03 Thread Peter Flodin
On 6/4/06, jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: houghi wrote: What else can we do then point out each time we see a technical discussion starting? My idea is to kill this list, as it already is lost and make a new one: opensuse-community. I don't think changing the list could do any good, people