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Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 07:38 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
lware.
Ok, tell me, seeing that I know nothing, if I can compromise a Linux
users
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 01:52 -0400, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I think we agree on the subject.
Last thing - I dont think most virus/trojan/DOSattack writers do it
because its easy to do it in Windows (which it is), but because its got
a huge impact on the
Aaron Kulkis wrote:
In which case, you're dumber than a box of rocks.
Windows malware often requires NO user action to cause damage,
where as you have demonstrated your absolute REFUSAL to even
understand that the security model of Unix/Linux (going all the
way back to the 1970's) REQUIRES
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Aaron Kulkis wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
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In which case, you're dumber than a box of rocks.
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Now shut up, and get a freaking clue.
Sheesh!
Your contributions today (of which this is the last I have received) are
at best
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 07:38 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
lware.
Ok, tell me, seeing that I know nothing, if I can compromise a Linux
users home dir - why cant I send out spam?
I have never claimed such a thing is impossible, but it is far
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 13:42 -0400, James Knott wrote:
A boot sector virus is executed every time the computer is booted. Any
OS can be vulnerable to a boot sector virus during booting, because the
OS is not running at that time. The only protection is what's provided
with the BIOS. On
On Thursday 09 August 2007 15:18, James Knott wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Fergus Wilde wrote:
he proprietary video formats issue is one for the lawyers, not Linux
people. These formats don't play back because copyright and patent
owners or abusers will not allow
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 20:52, Tero Pesonen wrote:
[snip
I don't feel comfortable recommending Linux desktop to others. Because
when they will need help, I probably won't be able to help. And they
should not need help from me with basic issues such as burning disks or
having some
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Fergus Wilde wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 20:52, Tero Pesonen wrote:
[snip
I don't feel comfortable recommending Linux desktop to others.
Because when they will need help, I probably won't be able to help.
And they should not need help from me with basic
Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Fergus Wilde wrote:
he proprietary video formats issue is one for the lawyers, not Linux
people. These formats don't play back because copyright and patent
owners or abusers will not allow free access to them and have
threatened and bullied,
On Thursday 09 August 2007, James Knott wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Fergus Wilde wrote:
he proprietary video formats issue is one for the lawyers, not Linux
people. These formats don't play back because copyright and patent
owners or abusers will not allow free
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows 98.
A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could no longer
play video DVDs. After some checking, we found that she has to buy the
necessary software, from a web site that's very irritating and
difficult
On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:54, Tero Pesonen wrote:
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows
98. A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could
no longer play video DVDs. After some checking, we found that she
has to buy the necessary software,
Clayton wrote:
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows 98.
A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could no longer
play video DVDs. After some checking, we found that she has to buy the
necessary software, from a web site that's very irritating and
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 17:14 +0200, Casey Stamper wrote:
My favorite cross-platform player (closed source) is VLC Media player.
I've thrown many formats at it and it has never failed to play them. You
don't always have to jump through hoops to play multimedia. *You* have
to decide if you
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 17:14 +0200, Casey Stamper wrote:
My favorite cross-platform player (closed source) is VLC Media player.
I've thrown many formats at it and it has never failed to play them. You
don't always have to jump through hoops to play multimedia. *You*
jdd wrote:
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 17:14 +0200, Casey Stamper wrote:
My favorite cross-platform player (closed source) is VLC Media
player. I've thrown many formats at it and it has never failed to
play them. You don't always have to jump through hoops to play
On Thursday 09 August 2007 18:05:05 Casey Stamper wrote:
I know, I know! I was talking more about using it in Windows.
It's still open source on windows
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Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007, James Knott wrote:
ould be a problem to many others though.
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows 98.
A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could no longer
play video DVDs. After some
Clayton wrote:
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows 98.
A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could no longer
play video DVDs. After some checking, we found that she has to buy the
necessary software, from a web site that's very irritating and
On Thursday 09 August 2007 10:08, Mike wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:54, Tero Pesonen wrote:
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows
98. A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could
no longer play video DVDs. After some checking, we
Mike wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007 16:54, Tero Pesonen wrote:
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows
98. A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could
no longer play video DVDs. After some checking, we found that she
has to buy the necessary
On Thursday 09 August 2007, James Knott wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Thursday 09 August 2007, James Knott wrote:
ould be a problem to many others though.
FWIW, a friend has an IBM ThinkPad, that came loaded with Windows
98. A couple of years ago, she upgraded to XP and found she could
James Knott wrote:
someone tried installing XP on a notebook and found he had no driver for
the NIC.
same for inboard motherboard, you must have the mobo cd. I even had a
config with the cd as /dev/hda and the Hd as /dev/hdb, and XP didn't
see the cd most of the time.
say:
* with with
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 11:16 -0400, James Knott wrote:
In the over thirty years I've been using computers, I've only once
experienced a virus on my own computer. It was at work and I
accidentlally left an infected floppy in my drive when I booted the
computer. The IBMAV program I was
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They said it makes no difference,
it costs the same with or without Vista.
You need to ask more forcefully.
I get them without any os all the time.
Well they actually come with freedos but even that is
simply in the package, not on the
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
And... desktop users install all kinds of insane apps - when desktop
linux is popular - more apps will appear - increasing the risk of
installing a malicious one.
Any malware capable of causing
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:31 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:35 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
desktop market out
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Again! - deleting a user's files is a big thing, users see this as the
PC being broken!
if this was true, nobody should use Windows...
jdd
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Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
And... desktop users install all kinds of insane apps - when desktop
linux is popular - more apps will appear - increasing the risk of
installing a malicious one.
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
lware.
Ok, tell me, seeing that I know nothing, if I can compromise a Linux
users home dir - why cant I send out spam?
I have never claimed such a thing is impossible, but it is far more
difficult to do with Linux. In order to send out spam, something has to
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 17:38 +0200, jdd wrote:
in approx 25 years of computing, I _never_ had data corrupted by a virus, even
on windows.
Me neither.
Of course, I have been using Linux for close to the last then years, but
even before that I
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Michael Letourneau wrote:-
David Bolt wrote:
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As more and more file types get linked to more applications I am not so
sure that executing something has the same meaning it used to. Say you
download a new screen saver, you never really execute that, but your
window
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 14:30 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
BUT telling users to install Linux because it will help
for viruses is IMHO irresponsible.
Does anyone actually do that? I can see the above as an
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 07:38 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
lware.
Ok, tell me, seeing that I know nothing, if I can compromise a Linux
users home dir - why cant I send out spam?
I have never claimed such a thing is impossible, but it is far more
difficult
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 07:26 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
And... desktop users install all kinds of insane apps - when desktop
linux is popular - more apps will appear -
David Bolt wrote:
All of which makes for an ideal method of introducing a trojan onto a
system[0]. And, just to make sure it works across the widest variety of
systems, all that's required is to create a statically linked 32bit
binary and it'll run on virtually any x86-32 or x86-64 based
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Letourneau wrote:
Yes true, not typically what is thought of executing though, and not
really what my point was. My point was that everyone was talking about
having to have the file be executable
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David Bolt wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Michael Letourneau wrote:-
David Bolt wrote:
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As more and more file types get linked to more applications I am not so
sure that executing something has the same meaning it used to. Say you
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 00:34, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
...
Again! - deleting a user's files is a big thing, users see this as
the PC being broken!
Do these users think of having the contents of the trunk (boot) of their
car stolen
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 15:59 -0400, Michael Letourneau wrote:
As more and more file types get linked to more applications I am not so
sure that executing something has the same meaning it used to. Say you
download a new screen saver, you
On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, G T Smith wrote:-
David Bolt wrote:
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All of which makes for an ideal method of introducing a trojan onto a
system[0]. And, just to make sure it works across the widest variety of
systems, all that's required is to create a statically linked 32bit
binary and it'll run
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 14:31 -0400, Michael Letourneau wrote:
But again, in either of those cases not being root does not necessarily
prevent your machine from being infected and/or the possible results
thereof.
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 15:59 -0400, Michael Letourneau wrote:
As more and more file types get linked to more applications I am not so
sure that executing something has the same meaning it used to. Say
you
download a
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 17:38 +0200, jdd wrote:
in approx 25 years of computing, I _never_ had data corrupted by a virus, even
on windows.
Me neither.
Of course, I have been using Linux for close to the last then
Carlos E. R. wrote:
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The Tuesday 2007-08-07 at 14:30 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
BUT telling users to install Linux because it will help
for viruses is IMHO irresponsible.
Does anyone actually do that? I
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 00:34, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:27 -0400, James Knott wrote:
...
Again! - deleting a user's files is a big thing, users see this as
the PC being broken!
Do these users think of
* Tero Pesonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-08-07 12:04]:
They care very little about the Guru somewhere that preaches them how
the malware was unable to affect the system files, and how that proves
the security glory that is Linux. They tell everyone how a virus
destroyed their Linux, just like a
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 09:00, Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Randall R Schulz wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 00:34, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
...
It isn't more complicated than that.
Yup. Simple, easy and wrong.
Regards,
Tero Pesonen
Randall Schulz
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On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Tero Pesonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-08-07 12:04]:
They care very little about the Guru somewhere that preaches them how
the malware was unable to affect the system files, and how that
proves the security glory that is Linux. They tell
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 19:03, Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Kind of like using 2nd Graders to research in nuclear
fission/fusion.
You mean that the people who would begin using Linux, should it ever
grow popular on desktop, would not behave
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Mike wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 19:03, Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Kind of like using 2nd Graders to research in nuclear
fission/fusion.
You mean that the people who would begin using Linux, should it
* Tero Pesonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-08-07 13:05]:
Seriously, check your attitude. There's a world out there. And that
world is not populated by Linux professionals. And no, these people
are not 2nd graders. They are.. err.. computer users?
You *missed* it, but that ok, :^)
live in your
Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Mike wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007 19:03, Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Wednesday 08 August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
Kind of like using 2nd Graders to research in nuclear
fission/fusion.
You mean that the people who
James Knott wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
I'd be too. But when the person asks me why they need to run alsaconf
as root after each reboot to get sound, I tell them I have no idea,
as I need to do it myself too. Or why they need to run k3b as root to
burn something. When they ask why this or
* J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-08-07 16:21]:
Yes, very bizarre symptoms, I've never seen that, and I have suse 10.2
installed on 8 computers including a couple of laptops. His computer
needs some service, there's something wrong.
Well, he *said* that he couldn't handle system administration!
On Thursday 09 August 2007, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* J Sloan [EMAIL PROTECTED] [08-08-07 16:21]:
Yes, very bizarre symptoms, I've never seen that, and I have suse
10.2 installed on 8 computers including a couple of laptops. His
computer needs some service, there's something wrong.
Well,
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The Wednesday 2007-08-08 at 10:53 -0400, Michael Letourneau wrote:
No, screen savers are actually executable programs, not data. You normally
do not call them directly, but something does.
My bad. But the idea is still pertinent and though
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders were infected with
Phishing.Heuristics.emal.spoofedDomain
Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders were infected with
On 8/7/07, Registration Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 10:40 +0200, Clayton wrote:
On 8/7/07, Registration Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Why is it assumed that Linux is less prone to virus attacks?
Primarily due to a better and much more ingrained security system. Do
you normally run as root on your Linux desktop? Well, that what's a
Windows user normally does on his Windows ditto.
I know to
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
If/When Linux makes it big-time on the desktop do you think it will also
be bogged down with virus attacks as MS is now.
No.
The reason windows is attacked is because its EASY, not JUST because its
popular. Believing otherwise is swallowing
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:08 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Why is it assumed that Linux is less prone to virus attacks?
Primarily due to a better and much more ingrained security system. Do
you normally run as root on your Linux desktop? Well, that what's a
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Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:15 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
If/When Linux makes it big-time on the desktop do you think it will also
be bogged down with virus attacks as MS is now.
No.
The reason windows is attacked is because its EASY,
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:30 +0200, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:15 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
If/When Linux makes it big-time on the desktop do you think it will also
be bogged down with virus attacks as MS is
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
desktop market out there - and preaching to them that Linux will make
there virus problem go away is setting them up for a fall.
I fail to see how it sets them up for a fall.
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:35 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
desktop market out there - and preaching to them that Linux will make
there virus problem go away is setting them
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 09:28, Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders
On 08/07/2007 05:49 PM, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Again - the SETUP will involve removing windows and installing a flavour
of linux to curb the effects of viruses.
And it does help, not in the future but in the present.
The FALL will be when they
click yes to something they dont understand
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Why is it assumed that Linux is less prone to virus attacks?
* Windows is stuck by it's history. Original windows (3.11, 95 or 98)
had no idea of what security mind. So many application programmers
used to store they user data in the application folder (for
Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders were infected with
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 18:24 +0800, Joe Morris (NTM) wrote:
On 08/07/2007 05:49 PM, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Again - the SETUP will involve removing windows and installing a flavour
of linux to curb the effects of viruses.
And it does help, not in the future but in the present.
The FALL
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 10:40 +0200, Clayton wrote:
On 8/7/07, Registration Account [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Well, that what I started with - a desktop environment - in desktop
environments there are basically only one user - so messing with
his/her docs/mail etc is just as bad as wiping the /lib dir?
Not at all. If a user manages to screw up his/her home-directory, you
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
BUT telling users to install Linux because it will help
for viruses is IMHO irresponsible.
Does anyone actually do that? I can see the above as an additional
argument for someone who's about to switch to Linux, but surely it's
not the main reason.
/Per Jessen,
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Per Jessen wrote:
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Well, that what I started with - a desktop environment - in desktop
environments there are basically only one user - so messing with
his/her docs/mail etc is just as bad as wiping the /lib dir?
Not at all. If a user
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:35 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
What would YOU SUGGEST we preach to them?
Hans, we preach Braaivleis, Boerewors, Biltong Chevrolet; i.e. don't
worry, be happy ...
:-)
Al
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On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 11:42 +, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
I'm just preaching caution - just as I don't tell people to use
Linux
because its free, money wise or as in freedom, most of them are
skeptical about free stuff, and the other really not care about tech
freedom (wrongly so, but that
On Tue, August 7, 2007 1:28 am, Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so stored and catagorised emails and
all 4 folders
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 07:27 -0700, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Tue, August 7, 2007 1:28 am, Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a
On Tuesday 07 August 2007 16:50, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
She was all freaked out about some phishing emails she got and
thought for sure she was infected. (My son had launched AMOR and
had dropped her wireless mouse receiver behind the desk. As a
result, her mouse movements were jerky
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Kai Ponte wrote:
On Tue, August 7, 2007 1:28 am, Registration Account wrote:
As you know clamAV provides NO realtime virus detection
and from time to time we all need to execute a clamscan
- Well I just performed a clamscan and found 4 folder
which a year or so
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Again, Im only talking about Desktop Linux, not servers - web users dont
have logons, email and web-browsing on arb webservers - so it remains
dumb user proof.
But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
desktop market out there - and preaching
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
And... desktop users install all kinds of insane apps - when desktop
linux is popular - more apps will appear - increasing the risk of
installing a malicious one.
Any malware capable of causing significant damage i.e. beyond the users
files etc., will require
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
On Tue, 2007-08-07 at 01:35 -0800, John Andersen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, Hans van der Merwe wrote:
But my main concern is that dumb users usually make up most of the
desktop market out there - and preaching to them that Linux will make
there virus
Tero Pesonen wrote:
Not necessarily. I believe there were macro viruses for MS Excell
in approx 25 years of computing, I _never_ had data corrupted by a
virus, even on windows.
This don't mean I never got virus, but I always see it before any
damage done. I have seen many computer
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, jdd wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
Not necessarily. I believe there were macro viruses for MS Excell
in approx 25 years of computing, I _never_ had data corrupted by a
virus, even on windows.
Sure, but you're not an average user either.
Regards,
Tero Pesonen
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Tero Pesonen wrote:
On Tuesday 07 August 2007, jdd wrote:
Tero Pesonen wrote:
Not necessarily. I believe there were macro viruses for MS Excell
in approx 25 years of computing, I _never_ had data corrupted by a
virus, even on windows.
Sure, but you're not an average user either.
may be,
Hans van der Merwe wrote:
Why is this not an issue with anyone? Deleting a normal users data is a
big thing. They consider the PC broken if their files disappear.
That's a minor issue, compared to some of the other things malware can
do. Stuff such as stealing passwords and other
James Knott wrote:
Bottom line, you're ignoring all the technical differences that make
Windows a wide open target, in comparison to Linux or Unix. No amount
of dumb users will overcome that fact. Then, good practices will go
further to reduce that risk and also it is virtually impossible
Michael Letourneau wrote:
I think people are confusing virus with Trojan. From my old PC support
days, most of the virii that were in the wild were tied to Office
documents, or existed on boot sectors of floppies and hard drives.
Nothing to execute there. I think it would be pretty easy for a
James Knott wrote:
A boot sector virus is executed every time the computer is booted. Any
OS can be vulnerable to a boot sector virus during booting
my old thunderbyte anti-vir software replaced the boot sector by it's
own and kept an md5sum of it, preventing such attack. I hope moderns
James Knott wrote:
Michael Letourneau wrote:
I think people are confusing virus with Trojan. From my old PC support
days, most of the virii that were in the wild were tied to Office
documents, or existed on boot sectors of floppies and hard drives.
Nothing to execute there. I think it would
jdd wrote:
James Knott wrote:
A boot sector virus is executed every time the computer is booted.
Any OS can be vulnerable to a boot sector virus during booting
my old thunderbyte anti-vir software replaced the boot sector by it's
own and kept an md5sum of it, preventing such attack. I
But again, in either of those cases not being root does not necessarily
prevent your machine from being infected and/or the possible results
thereof. Everyone remembers Melissa,
http://www.cert.org/advisories/CA-1999-04.html, if that were designed for
a Linux system, not being root would not
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Clayton wrote:-
snip
This does not account for buffer overflow exploits etc...I seem to
remember one recently (in the past year) that would give you root
access to a remote machine... scary except that you had to be root
already to get into the state where the exploit could
David Bolt wrote:
On Tue, 7 Aug 2007, Clayton wrote:-
snip
This does not account for buffer overflow exploits etc...I seem to
remember one recently (in the past year) that would give you root
access to a remote machine... scary except that you had to be root
already to get into the state where
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