Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-03-30 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
On Tue, 20 Feb 2007 (40 days ago) I posted a list of the most annoying GNOME bugs in openSUSE 10.2. Let's sum up what's the situation today, not considering the bugs which were labelled as not solvable soon: Bug 229190 - main-menu Hangs Bug 228129 - gnome-main-menu leaks ~2mb per recent

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-28 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-02-28 at 02:35 -, Sid Boyce wrote: I have twenty. I do it for many reasons; one is damage containment. Yes, But! Hardware will always get you. Every disaster I have had has been down to IDE controllers (twice) or

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-27 Thread Lars Rupp
Am Mo 26.02.2007 17:53 schrieb Juan Erbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was dropped and its previous versions are no more compatible.

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-27 Thread Marcus Meissner
On Tue, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:08:56AM +0100, Lars Rupp wrote: Am Mo 26.02.2007 17:53 schrieb Juan Erbes [EMAIL PROTECTED]: And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-27 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 08:36 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote: What is the benefit to has more than 15 partitions? I have twenty. I do it for many reasons; one is damage containment. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-27 Thread Sid Boyce
Carlos E. R. wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 08:36 -0300, Juan Erbes wrote: What is the benefit to has more than 15 partitions? I have twenty. I do it for many reasons; one is damage containment. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. Yes, But!

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-26 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Juan Erbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was dropped and its previous versions are no more compatible.

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-26 Thread Juan Erbes
2007/2/26, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Juan Erbes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was dropped and its previous versions are no more

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-25 Thread Juan Erbes
And what about avahi-compat-mDNSResponder? Digikam do'nt works any more to connect to the cam's. With mDNSResponder digikam worked fine, but now mDNSResponder was dropped and its previous versions are no more compatible. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=239719 Regards

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-23 Thread Carlos E. R.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 15:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Consider the people who typically use more than 15 partitions per disk: Really more than 15? Who has that? Currently, I have three disks, with 20, 13, and 16 partitions

[Fwd: Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting]

2007-02-23 Thread Hugo Oosterkamp
Carlos E. R. wrote: The Tuesday 2007-02-20 at 15:06 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Consider the people who typically use more than 15 partitions per disk: Really more than 15? Who has that? Currently, I have three disks, with 20, 13, and 16 partitions respectively. Certainly, not scssi.

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-21 Thread Martin Schlander
Den Tuesday 20 February 2007 14:59:07 skrev Andreas Jaeger: Note that we're looking very closely at rug/zmd problems right now to see what to do for the future. Please let us know what you find out, as soon as you know. A lot of us got the impression from a status meeting that it was already

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-21 Thread Glenn Holmer
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 07:04, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: Stay realistic and don't talk of 'theoretical' cases. Just a fact: do you know anybody having 15 partitions on his disk? for real? I have that many on a test machine used for evaluating Linux distros (and other operating systems),

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-21 Thread M9.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Glenn Holmer schreef: On Tuesday 20 February 2007 07:04, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: Stay realistic and don't talk of 'theoretical' cases. Just a fact: do you know anybody having 15 partitions on his disk? for real? I have that many on a test

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-21 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Martin Schlander [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Den Tuesday 20 February 2007 14:59:07 skrev Andreas Jaeger: Note that we're looking very closely at rug/zmd problems right now to see what to do for the future. Please let us know what you find out, as soon as you know. A lot of us got the

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Stephan Binner
On Monday, 19. February 2007 19:35:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote: This way we would get e.g. basesystem-$lang and gnome-$lang packages and those can then be installed. Is this also planned for any-app-package-not-in-default-install-$lang? Bye, Steve

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Stephan Binner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday, 19. February 2007 19:35:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote: This way we would get e.g. basesystem-$lang and gnome-$lang packages and those can then be installed. Is this also planned for any-app-package-not-in-default-install-$lang? This would be a

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Andras Mantia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 19 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: * Use the lang support in RPM, ie:   rpm -i --define _install_langs fr:es package   This would break delta RPMs. I don't think breaking delat rpms is a good idea... That's why we're not going for it

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Francis Giannaros [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 19 February 2007 18:35:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Our last meeting was moved by a week and I forgot to inform you. Sorry about that. Here're the minutes, I understand the issue/status of GNOME packages (and of the several apparently

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Use the lang support in RPM, ie: rpm -i --define _install_langs fr:es package This would break delta RPMs. Don't even consider it, please. Delta rpms are still an outstanding distinguishing feature of SUSE as far as I am aware. It was brought

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
jdd [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: - Repartition your system so that maximal 15 partitions are used. To repartition, use your existing operating system. In the future only the new libata drivers will be supported, so we advice to repartition. The last sentence

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
On Tue 20 Feb 2007 23:05:12 NZDT +1300, Andreas Jaeger wrote: so resorting to lvm should be the proposed solution, not repartitionning with less than 15 partitions :-) Yes, we can change the wording ;-). The problem is that all solutions to support more than 15 partitions in an automatic

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Gerd Hoffmann
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Woudln't it be better to give some choice? E.g. Use kernel parameter ... (not recommended), use lvm Are there any other fundamental choices? IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Beside that, there is still kpartx (part of multipath-tools)

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Volker Kuhlmann wrote: Woudln't it be better to give some choice? E.g. Use kernel parameter ... (not recommended), use lvm Are there any other fundamental choices? IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Beside that, there

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Volker Kuhlmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue 20 Feb 2007 23:05:12 NZDT +1300, Andreas Jaeger wrote: so resorting to lvm should be the proposed solution, not repartitionning with less than 15 partitions :-) Yes, we can change the wording ;-). The problem is that all solutions to

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
I understand the issue/status of GNOME packages (and of the several apparently ignored critical bugs) was going to be addressed. Any update on this? Those are not on-topic for the dist meeting. I got a list of 4 bugs and I though we see progress there. Don't we? Andreas Just for

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Alberto Passalacqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I understand the issue/status of GNOME packages (and of the several apparently ignored critical bugs) was going to be addressed. Any update on this? Those are not on-topic for the dist meeting. I got a list of 4 bugs and I though we see

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Tuesday 20 February 2007 10:00:29 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Francis Giannaros [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 19 February 2007 18:35:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Our last meeting was moved by a week and I forgot to inform you. Sorry about that. Here're the minutes, I understand the

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/02/20 12:44 (GMT-0500) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Guys, do you really see this a limitation that will hit many of us? Consider the people who typically use more than 15

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Dominique Leuenberger
On 20-02-2007 at 14:54, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really gnome-specific, but still serious: Bug 231258 - ZMD sucks the CPU power at boot-up and during refresh Use opensuse-updater instead of zmd. Andreas, Is this the official stratement to all questions / problems

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Dominique Leuenberger
On 20-02-2007 at 14:59, Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007/02/20 12:44 (GMT-0500) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Guys, do you really see this a limitation that will hit

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Eberhard Moenkeberg
Hi, On Tue, 20 Feb 2007, Felix Miata wrote: On 2007/02/20 12:44 (GMT-0500) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Guys, do you really see this a limitation that will hit many of us?

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Johannes Meixner
Hello, On Feb 20 13:54 Andreas Jaeger wrote (shortened): Alberto Passalacqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Bug 230676 - It's impossible to configure a printer if not root. (The gnome configuration tool doesn't remember per-user settings like two-side printing or

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread JP Rosevear
On Tue, 2007-02-20 at 13:40 +0100, Alberto Passalacqua wrote: I understand the issue/status of GNOME packages (and of the several apparently ignored critical bugs) was going to be addressed. Any update on this? Those are not on-topic for the dist meeting. I got a list of 4

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno mar, 20/02/2007 alle 13.54 +0100, Andreas Jaeger ha scritto: * Bug 229190 - main-menu Hangs This one seems difficult to reproduce ;-( Yes, I confirm (already did in bugzilla). This is the less annoying one probably. * Bug 228129 - gnome-main-menu leaks ~2mb per

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Stanislav Brabec
Andreas Jaeger wrote: Andras Mantia [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Monday 19 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: * Use the lang support in RPM, ie: rpm -i --define _install_langs fr:es package This would break delta RPMs. I don't think breaking delat rpms is a good idea...

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Alberto Passalacqua
Il giorno mar, 20/02/2007 alle 08.41 -0500, JP Rosevear ha scritto: * Bug 215301 - Banshee doesn't recognise my ipod anymore There is a work around in the bug, but we should release a patch. To my knowledge the workaround is the non-helix rpm on build service. Am I wrong? *

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Dominique Leuenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 20-02-2007 at 14:54, Andreas Jaeger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not really gnome-specific, but still serious: Bug 231258 - ZMD sucks the CPU power at boot-up and during refresh Use opensuse-updater instead of zmd. Andreas, Is this the

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Alberto Passalacqua [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Il giorno mar, 20/02/2007 alle 13.54 +0100, Andreas Jaeger ha scritto: * Bug 229190 - main-menu Hangs This one seems difficult to reproduce ;-( Yes, I confirm (already did in bugzilla). This is the less annoying one probably.

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-20 Thread Andreas Jaeger
Felix Miata [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On 2007/02/20 12:44 (GMT-0500) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: Gerd Hoffmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: IMO lvm is the only sane approach to handle that many filesystems. Guys, do you really see this a limitation that will hit many of us? Consider

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread JP Rosevear
On Mon, 2007-02-19 at 19:35 +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote: Our last meeting was moved by a week and I forgot to inform you. Sorry about that. Here're the minutes, Usecases: * Reduced image size especially of thin clients and Live images * Reduced image size for distributions * Updating of

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread Andras Mantia
On Monday 19 February 2007, Andreas Jaeger wrote: * Use the lang support in RPM, ie:   rpm -i --define _install_langs fr:es package   This would break delta RPMs. I don't think breaking delat rpms is a good idea... Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread Francis Giannaros
On Monday 19 February 2007 18:35:32 Andreas Jaeger wrote: Our last meeting was moved by a week and I forgot to inform you. Sorry about that. Here're the minutes, I understand the issue/status of GNOME packages (and of the several apparently ignored critical bugs) was going to be addressed.

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread Felix Miata
On 2007/02/19 19:35 (GMT+0100) Andreas Jaeger apparently typed: We're going to use libata by default for future products. For 10.3, we will implement the following in YaST to handle disks with more than 15 partitions (libata uses the SCSI stack that only allows 15 partitions): If

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
- Repartition your system so that maximal 15 partitions are used. To repartition, use your existing operating system. In the future only the new libata drivers will be supported, so we advice to repartition. The last sentence above is incredibly bad news, unless something

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread Volker Kuhlmann
* Use the lang support in RPM, ie: rpm -i --define _install_langs fr:es package This would break delta RPMs. Don't even consider it, please. Delta rpms are still an outstanding distinguishing feature of SUSE as far as I am aware. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570

Re: [opensuse-factory] meeting minutes of last dist meeting

2007-02-19 Thread jdd
Volker Kuhlmann wrote: - Repartition your system so that maximal 15 partitions are used. To repartition, use your existing operating system. In the future only the new libata drivers will be supported, so we advice to repartition. The last sentence above is incredibly bad news, unless