Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-19 Thread Tracy Snell
On 8/18/03 7:20 AM, Francisco Hernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: can we have a sneak peak at what you've done? I was about to post a question asking if anyone has started to work on anykind of xwork/webwork2 introductory article or tutorial. I've got a couple of projects demanding my

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-18 Thread Tracy Snell
On 8/17/03 10:05 PM, Jason Carreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along the lines of making it easier for new users, we need something like this: http://www.springframework.org/docs/MVC-step-by-step/Spring-MVC-step-by-step.h tml If someone else wants to do it, great... If not, I'll eventually

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-18 Thread Francisco Hernandez
can we have a sneak peak at what you've done? I was about to post a question asking if anyone has started to work on anykind of xwork/webwork2 introductory article or tutorial. Tracy Snell wrote: On 8/17/03 10:05 PM, Jason Carreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Along the lines of making it easier

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-18 Thread Lars Fischer
This will cut the amount of explaining needed for a hello world type app down by an entire step. Anyone else got ideas like this that will cut down on the learning curve for newbies? Of course, start with providing a tutorial. --- This

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-18 Thread Joseph Ottinger
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Hani Suleiman wrote: A whole big bunch of people. If you want to show progress of batch processes, a web app is probably the absolutely stupidest way of doing it. A request/response paradigm is a pretty foolish way of providing continuous feedback. A swing client would be

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-18 Thread John Patterson
Jira seems to be down still. - Original Message - From: Jason Carreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 2:59 AM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas I'm open to having a package-wide default action package which would

[OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread boxed
I had a discussion on #java with Epesh, and he expressed the sentiment that WW2 might be turning into a too complex system which will alienate new users and be popular with the gearheads and such when it leaves nerd-domain. After reading the responses to the Simplicity in WW2 email I must

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
Anders, I have to say that this is a _bad_ idea. You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate the object, call your setter methods and run! People doing J2EE understand XML, they have to. All descriptors are XML. Xwork.xml is not _that_ complex for a hello world example,

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread boxed
Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate the object, call your setter methods and run! Are you trying to scare users away now? I was talking WW2, not XW, so a web-based interface where you can get immediate feedback in the environment

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread ian
from an outsiders point of view.. i think i'd have to admit that requiring a proper classname everywhere would actually increase complexity. but it is nice to be able to think of actions by their name, it seems a but superfluous when you're constantly changing their names.. i like thinking of

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Hani Suleiman
Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are unlikely to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising as it is, an app with xwork, webwork, lucene, hibernate, sitemesh, and oscache is not a

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
Well, it's a J2EE app in my book - personally I don't agree with Sun (see my blog's AVK rant) that a J2EE app _must_ contain EJBs, JSPs etc. Either way (J2EE or not J2EE) people who use WW, XW, Lucene, Hibernate etc are used to XML files - that was my point. M On 18/8/03 10:37 AM, Hani Suleiman

RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Drew McAuliffe
:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of boxed Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 4:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate the object, call your setter methods

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Hani Suleiman
Well this isn't a matter of opinion. J2EE contains JMS, EJB, connectors, JNDI, RMI-IIOP, servlets, jsps, and JTS. An app that uses just servlets could be called J2EE technically, sure, but since it's using such a tiny subset with a specific identifiable name (web apps), it's a lot more

RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Jason Carreira
-Original Message- From: boxed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 7:30 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas Mike Cannon-Brookes wrote: You can already test actions to setup xwork.xml - just instantiate

RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Jason Carreira
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are unlikely to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE. As surprising

Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Hani Suleiman
: Sunday, August 17, 2003 8:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas Just to play the devil's advocate, people using full J2EE are unlikely to be huge xwork/webwork fans anyway. Unless of course you mean servlets/web containers, rather than J2EE

RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Joseph Ottinger
On Sun, 17 Aug 2003, Jason Carreira wrote: So who's building full J2EE apps without a web front end (at least for the adminsitration)? Even someone doing big batch processes needs to see how they're progressing sometimes... I am. TechNews.

RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas

2003-08-17 Thread Jason Carreira
McAuliffe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2003 9:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] Simplicity of WW2 - Practical ideas I would argue against anything that would increase the possibility of subtle errors. If a solution like the one you suggest could