Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-16 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
Already done, The jira issue is WW-425. Just to clarify, my intention was not replace or duplicate the velocity based templates in webwork. With the changes however, users could developo their own template based tags using the technology of their own choice. I think there's a point in

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-15 Thread remigijus
Message - From: Drew McAuliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Nice work. I wasn't sure how coupled they were, but if velocity wasn't necessary for core work, then it shouldn't

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-15 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
it will? - Original Message - From: Drew McAuliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 15, 2003 8:50 AM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Nice work. I wasn't sure how coupled they were, but if velocity wasn't necessary for core work, then it shouldn't

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-15 Thread Hani Suleiman
You're much better off filing this as an issue at jira.opensymphony.com, to ensure it's tracked properly and not lost in the noise On Dec 15, 2003, at 6:47 PM, Fredrik Lindgren wrote: Resent, slightly lighter, since the first try exceeded the size limit. Hi again, Here comes the patch for the

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-15 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
I'll probably do that as well, but since the work originated from the discussion here, and the jira mails are not sent to the list, I thought I would get better feedback here. /Fredrik On Mon, 15 Dec 2003 18:51:11 -0500, Hani Suleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're much better off filing

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-14 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't want to use velocity templates, I should not need velocity'. Equivelant statements are: 'if I don't want to use ognl-expressions, I should not need ognl' 'if I don't want to use

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-14 Thread Hani Suleiman
dependency. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't want

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-14 Thread Jason Carreira
We're always open to contributions, even from you Hani :-) -Original Message- From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 7:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Good job, with more contributions

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2003-12-14 Thread Hani Suleiman
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Good job, with more contributions like this the ww2 codebase might be even be considering by us skeptics one day. On Dec 14, 2003, at 7:20 PM, Fredrik Lindgren wrote: As a matter of fact it was fairly easy to refactor

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-14 Thread Drew McAuliffe
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Fredrik Lindgren Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2003 4:20 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to As a matter of fact it was fairly easy to refactor it. As promised, I took a shot at the refactoring during the weekend. I have managed

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
Message- From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I know that. As it is stated in the doc it has nothing to do with web, it can be used anywhere and is not linked

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread remigijus
- Original Message - From: Fredrik Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I looked through the code a bit last night with a special interest on the Velocity dependencies. As far

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Mike Cannon-Brookes
can remove it. -Original Message- From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 12:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I know that. As it is stated in the doc it has nothing to do with web, it can

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Tracy Snell
On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity for its UI tag templates. If you don't plan to use the UI tags, you can remove it. You can use WW2 and just use JSPs and never have to write any Velocity templates. However, Velocity is still

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread remigijus
- Original Message - From: Mike Cannon-Brookes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to It's very nice to hear such answer. I'm not against velocity, I only little confused about some

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread remigijus
- Original Message - From: Tracy Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Drew McAuliffe
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of remigijus Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to - Original Message - From: Tracy Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Hani Suleiman
, then fine, don't, and you'll never be forced to even look at a velocity template. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of remigijus Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread remigijus
. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of remigijus Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 4:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to - Original Message - From: Tracy Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED

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2003-12-12 Thread remigijus
, how it will fit into ww, or this is not a issue. - Original Message - From: Hani Suleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 3:54 PM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
how to - Original Message - From: Tracy Snell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira wrote: WW1 you can use without velocity, WW2 uses velocity

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Jason Carreira
What uses Velocity outside the templates? -Original Message- From: Fredrik Lindgren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 2:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I looked through the code a bit last night

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Jason Carreira
:-) I don't know if I'd use the word lurking -Original Message- From: Tracy Snell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 6:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to On Dec 11, 2003, at 1:22 PM, Jason Carreira

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Jason Carreira
-Original Message- From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry - I'm totally confused here. XWork is WebWork without the presentation layer. What is WebWork without a presentation layer?!? (Nothing! :)) If you will look at it as an Http layer it will make a

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Drew McAuliffe
PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hani Suleiman Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:54 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I disagree. I think the point he's making is 'if I don't want to use velocity templates, I should not need velocity'. Equivelant statements

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Drew McAuliffe
! Nothing! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of remigijus Sent: Friday, December 12, 2003 5:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Ok I'm fine, I only said my opinion, and it's strong. If evryone

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Jason Carreira
Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Unfortunately, that's like saying if I don't like commons-logging, I shouldn't be forced to use it. Or if I don't like ognl, I shouldn't be forced to use it. You can't make every dependency in the library pluggable. The only

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-12 Thread Fredrik Lindgren
, December 12, 2003 2:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I looked through the code a bit last night with a special interest on the Velocity dependencies. As far as I can see it would be quite easy to refactor the current UI tags to avoid the hard coded

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread remigijus
Message - From: Patrick Lightbody To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 5:57 PM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Remis, In 1.x, yes. In 2.0, no. -Pat -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread Jason Carreira
Message-From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 5:50 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Very sad news. In this way I see no reason to separate xwork from webwork. Somone has missed some basic idea. I'm

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread Hani Suleiman
Jason Carreira wrote: XWork has no dependency on Velocity. In WW we use templates to render our UI tags. In WW1 this is based on JSP templates. In WW2 this is based on Velocity because : a) It's faster, b) it's less of a memory hog, c) they're easier to edit as templates Erm, actually (after

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread remigijus
- Original Message - From: Hani Suleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Jason Carreira wrote: XWork has no dependency on Velocity. In WW we use templates to render our

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread Hani Suleiman
Message - From: Hani Suleiman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Jason Carreira wrote: XWork has no dependency on Velocity. In WW we use templates to render our UI tags. In WW1

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread Jason Carreira
. After all, we all use Java and we know it must be slow because it's not native :-) -Original Message- From: remigijus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how

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2003-12-11 Thread remigijus
IDEA have prooved me that. - Original Message - From: Jason Carreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 6:32 PM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Well, I haven't done the experiments Hani has, but my previous experience has

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread Patrick Lightbody
, 2003 2:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Very sad news. In this way I see no reason to separate xwork from webwork. Somone has missed some basic idea. I'm little confused, why to make separation and make dependency on anything else? Does

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread remigijus
Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to I think you’re confused. XWork has almost zero dependencies. WebWork has a dependency on XWork. It also depends on velocity if you wish to use the JSP UI tags. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-11 Thread remigijus
Title: Message Thanks for clear answer and direct answer. This eaxcty what I have asked. - Original Message - From: Jason Carreira To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 8:22 PM Subject: RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how

RE: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to

2003-12-09 Thread Patrick Lightbody
Remis, In 1.x, yes. In 2.0, no. -Pat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of remigijus Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OS-webwork] WebWorks without velocity how to Hi