Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-19 Thread Paul Oranje via openwrt-devel
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Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-19 Thread Paul Oranje via openwrt-devel
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Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread David Lang
On Tue, 13 Sep 2022, Rich Brown wrote: I am assuming that the code that processes /etc/config/network and /etc/config/wireless is the difficulty. It would be possible to change names on labels in the GUI, and to update the documentation with the new terms. But we need to be able to handle

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Val Kulkov
Hi Rich, On Tue, 13 Sept 2022 at 21:42, Rich Brown wrote: > > Let me rephrase to be sure if I understand correctly: > > > On Sep 13, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: > > > > > > This cannot be done in a sane manner though as it would render future > > versions > > entirely backwards

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Rich Brown
Let me rephrase to be sure if I understand correctly: > On Sep 13, 2022, at 3:56 PM, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: > > > This cannot be done in a sane manner though as it would render future versions > entirely backwards incompatible. > > Renaming `config interface` to `config network` makes sense

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Jo-Philipp Wich
Hi, >> Well, it would still be less confusing than the state we're currently in. >> Anyway, converting "config interface" to "config network" and "config >> device" to "config iface" is an option. I don't like `iface`, it is also easily confused with `interface` (which - as explained - still has

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Bas Mevissen via openwrt-devel
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Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
On 13.09.2022 22:56, Jo-Philipp Wich wrote: Hi, IMHO changing, in /etc/config/network: "config interface" -> "config network" "config device" -> "config interface" would eliminate this semantic inconsistency and bring the naming convention more in line with what Rich referred to in his

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Jo-Philipp Wich
Hi, > IMHO changing, in /etc/config/network: > "config interface" -> "config network" > "config device" -> "config interface" > would eliminate this semantic inconsistency and bring the naming > convention more in line with what Rich referred to in his comments > above. This cannot be done in a

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Val Kulkov
; > interface and the /etc/config/wirelsss terminology. If I'm reading it > > right, "config device" controls the configuration of interfaces, while > > "config interface" does what your DSA terminology calls "networks". Is this > > correct? &g

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-13 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
ration of interfaces, while "config interface" does what your DSA terminology calls "networks". Is this correct? Exactly. Slight correction, it's computer networking rather than DSA terminology. If my observation is correct, how can we correct the terminology across al

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-12 Thread Rich Brown
s discussion. Thanks again. > On Sep 11, 2022, at 6:45 PM, Arınç ÜNAL wrote: > > On 12.09.2022 00:28, Rich Brown wrote: >> I think I see where I went wrong. I have updated the definitions in the DSA >> Terminology page to incorporate what I understand from this conversation. &g

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-11 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
On 12.09.2022 00:28, Rich Brown wrote: I think I see where I went wrong. I have updated the definitions in the DSA Terminology page to incorporate what I understand from this conversation. See: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/dsa/dsa-mini-tutorial#terminology Is this getting

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-11 Thread Rich Brown
I think I see where I went wrong. I have updated the definitions in the DSA Terminology page to incorporate what I understand from this conversation. See: https://openwrt.org/docs/guide-user/network/dsa/dsa-mini-tutorial#terminology Is this getting closer to a set of good definitions? Thanks

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
On 10.09.2022 14:59, Rich Brown wrote: I got the following definitions from Arınç, I am taking the liberty of opening this to the entire list, so we can refine these definitions together. I include some questions in-line to clarify the definitions. As a start, certain terms have cropped up

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
On 10.09.2022 14:52, David Lang wrote: On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Arınç ÜNAL wrote: As a start, certain terms have cropped up multiple times in this discussion. Could I ask for definitions for the following terms? Here's my understanding. There is a difference between a physical device that

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread Rich Brown
> On Sep 10, 2022, at 7:52 AM, David Lang wrote: > > There is a difference between a physical device that passes bits and the > logical interface that communicates with a network range. A given physical > devices can have multiple logical interfaces on them, and a logical interface > can

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread Rich Brown
I got the following definitions from Arınç, I am taking the liberty of opening this to the entire list, so we can refine these definitions together. I include some questions in-line to clarify the definitions. >>> As a start, certain terms have cropped up multiple times in this >>>

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread David Lang
On Sat, 10 Sep 2022, Arınç ÜNAL wrote: As a start, certain terms have cropped up multiple times in this discussion. Could I ask for definitions for the following terms? Here's my understanding. There is a difference between a physical device that passes bits and the logical interface

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-10 Thread Arınç ÜNAL
On 10.09.2022 03:04, Rich Brown wrote: Thanks for all this discussion. I have read everyone's notes carefully, but I feel as if I am falling farther and farther behind. I don't understand the distinctions between the terms that everyone is using. (The networking field is replete with synonyms

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-09 Thread Rich Brown
Thanks for all this discussion. I have read everyone's notes carefully, but I feel as if I am falling farther and farther behind. I don't understand the distinctions between the terms that everyone is using. (The networking field is replete with synonyms for the same thing: "interface" (and

Re: DSA Terminology

2022-09-07 Thread Rich Brown
t support the end state. Regrettably, I don't understand enough about this to make a stab at it. Anyone want to leap in? Thanks. Rich PS I changed the subject line to "DSA Terminology" since that's really what we're talking about > On Sep 7, 2022, at 5:12 PM, Jo-Philipp Wic