Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-06 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2016-01-06 17:52, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi, > > On 06/01/16 05:24 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote: > > * Daniel Dickinson [06.01.2016 11:11]: > >> Not sure where you got those numbers. Did you also post the exact > >> hardware and software configuration, and

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-06 Thread Bastian Bittorf
* Daniel Dickinson [06.01.2016 20:11]: > Obviously your idea of cheap, fast hardware is based on the > assumption that one is working on OpenWrt for pay rather than hobby. sorry, i misunderstood and was thinking that it _is_ part of your business. you are right,

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi, On 06/01/16 05:24 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote: > * Daniel Dickinson [06.01.2016 11:11]: >> Not sure where you got those numbers. Did you also post the exact >> hardware and software configuration, and testing methodology, and how >> you did the timing and what

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-06 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi Felix, Thank you for this! I will give it a whirl either before I head of to dreamland or tomorrow morning. Regards, Daniel On 06/01/16 01:39 PM, Felix Fietkau wrote: On 2016-01-06 17:52, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Hi, On 06/01/16 05:24 AM, Bastian Bittorf wrote: > * Daniel Dickinson

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 05/01/16 10:49 AM, Joris de Vries wrote: On 05 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Daniel Dickinson > wrote: am of two minds about how to deal with the issue that having to build the toolchain for an SDK before being able use the SDK is

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 05/01/16 11:22 AM, Daniel Dickinson wrote: On 05/01/16 10:49 AM, Joris de Vries wrote: On 05 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Daniel Dickinson > wrote: am of two minds about how to deal with the issue that having to build the toolchain

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2016-01-05 17:40, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > On 05/01/16 11:32 AM, Emmanuel Deloget wrote: >> Hello, >> >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 5:25 PM, Daniel Dickinson >> >wrote: >> >> On 05/01/16 11:22 AM, Daniel Dickinson wrote: >> >>

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Joris de Vries
> On 05 Jan 2016, at 16:04, Daniel Dickinson > wrote: > > am of two minds about how to deal with the issue that having to build the > toolchain for an SDK before being able use the SDK is rather painful (or at > least it tests my patience; don't know about other

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 04/01/16 05:40 AM, Felix Fietkau wrote: I'd like to suggest a simpler one, which is in line with the current naming in OpenWrt: The SDK is what builds software for an already running system. It doesn't have to build images, it doesn't have to be used to build full systems, it's just what you

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-05 Thread Bastian Bittorf
* Daniel Dickinson [05.01.2016 18:48]: > The problem is that I find, at least with ar71xx, that even with a an > already compile toolchain that target/linux/compile takes an annoying > amount of time (even though nothing is being compiled, there is a lot > of stuff

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-04 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2016-01-04 00:32, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > On 03/01/16 01:01 PM, Felix Fietkau wrote: >> On 2016-01-03 18:53, Daniel Dickinson wrote: >>> Hi Felix, >>> >>> I think part of the confusion stems from the fact that the current SDK >>> is not really an SDK but a 'Toolchain+'. Perhaps the current

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-03 Thread Daniel Dickinson
On 03/01/16 01:01 PM, Felix Fietkau wrote: On 2016-01-03 18:53, Daniel Dickinson wrote: Hi Felix, I think part of the confusion stems from the fact that the current SDK is not really an SDK but a 'Toolchain+'. Perhaps the current SDK should be renamed to clarify that point, and a 'real' SDK

[OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-03 Thread Daniel Dickinson
Hi Felix, I think part of the confusion stems from the fact that the current SDK is not really an SDK but a 'Toolchain+'. Perhaps the current SDK should be renamed to clarify that point, and a 'real' SDK created. The current SDK is useless without ImageBuilder and/or package repositories.

Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] SDK vs. Toolchain+

2016-01-03 Thread Felix Fietkau
On 2016-01-03 18:53, Daniel Dickinson wrote: > Hi Felix, > > I think part of the confusion stems from the fact that the current SDK > is not really an SDK but a 'Toolchain+'. Perhaps the current SDK should > be renamed to clarify that point, and a 'real' SDK created. What's a 'real' SDK as