Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29 May 2017 at 09:03, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that > post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many > details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > > > John > > *) rules > - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the > only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various > locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone > else is interested let us know) > - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules > - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be > handed over > > *) github > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close > the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing > the remerge > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one > appropriate to this century > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still > find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) IRC > - add back cloaking > - give people channel ownership/admin rights > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 > owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their > accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, > consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark > policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both > around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and > pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - send out invitation mails to the new list > - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists > > *) trademark policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) > > *) timeline > - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John ACK from me. Regards Jonas ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 13/06/17 21:58, Florian Fainelli wrote: On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote: Hi, here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more. Ideally we manage to vote during this week. ACK from me. ACK from me also. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 05/28/2017 11:56 PM, John Crispin wrote: > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber > that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal > with many details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. ACK from me. -- Florian ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
Hi, NACK from me - not that it makes a difference but I do not like to operate under the OpenWrt name. ~ Jo ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On Mon, 29 May 2017 09:03:57 +0200 John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the > comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. > Please remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so > cluttering the proposal with many details will delay the remerge even > more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > > > John ACK. > > *) rules > - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst > most people said they did not care > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand > is the only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in > various locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how > to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers > so that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if > anyone else is interested let us know) > - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules > - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains > can be handed over > > *) github > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and > close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable > anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages > announcing the remerge > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to > one appropriate to this century > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can > still find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) IRC > - add back cloaking > - give people channel ownership/admin rights > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts > (the 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases > that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up > their accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal > business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the > trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them > both around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot > and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this > already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - send out invitation mails to the new list > - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists > > *) trademark policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) > > *) timeline > - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John > > > > ___ > Lede-dev mailing list > lede-...@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev > > > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel > > > ___ > lede-adm mailing list > lede-...@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-adm -- Alexander Couzens mail: lyn...@fe80.eu jabber: lyn...@fe80.eu mobile:
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29.05.2017 09:03, John Crispin wrote: (resend, this time as plain text) Hi, here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more. Ideally we manage to vote during this week. ACK. Thanks all involved for preparing the remerge proposal. -- Cheers, Piotr ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29 May 2017 at 09:03, John Crispin wrote: > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that > post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many > details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. Looks good ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 9:03 AM, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that > post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many > details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > > > John > > *) rules > - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the > only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various > locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone > else is interested let us know) > - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules > - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be > handed over > > *) github > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close > the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing > the remerge > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one > appropriate to this century > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still > find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) IRC > - add back cloaking > - give people channel ownership/admin rights > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 > owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their > accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, > consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark > policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both > around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and > pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - send out invitation mails to the new list > - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists > > *) trademark policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) > > *) timeline > - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week Ack from my side on all the listed items Thx for compiling the list John Hans > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John > > > > ___ > Lede-dev mailing list > lede-...@lists.infradead.org > http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev > > > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On Mon, May 29, 2017 at 09:03:57AM +0200, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that > post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many > details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. +1 ACK ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber > that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal > with many details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > > > John Looks good, ack from me. Hauke > > *) rules > - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is > the only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in > various locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone > else is interested let us know) > - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules > - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can > be handed over > > *) github > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and > close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages > announcing the remerge > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one > appropriate to this century > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can > still find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) IRC > - add back cloaking > - give people channel ownership/admin rights > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 > owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up > their accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal > business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the > trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both > around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot > and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this > already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - send out invitation mails to the new list > - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists > > *) trademark policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) > > *) timeline > - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John > ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29-05-17 09:03, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please > remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the > proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > Full ACK from me. Thanks, Stijn ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 05/29/2017 09:03 AM, John Crispin wrote: > (resend, this time as plain text) > > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber > that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with > many details will delay the remerge even more. > > Ideally we manage to vote during this week. > > > John The proposal looks very good, and I think all important points have been discussed over the last weeks. So that's an ACK from my side. Matthias > > *) rules > - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the > only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various > locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone > else is interested let us know) > - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules > - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be > handed over > > *) github > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close > the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing > the remerge > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one > appropriate to this century > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still > find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) IRC > - add back cloaking > - give people channel ownership/admin rights > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 > owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their > accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, > consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark > policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and > pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - send out invitation mails to the new list > - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists > > *) trademark policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) > > *) timeline > - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29/05/17 10:39, Tom Psyborg wrote: Compared to Flyspray, Trac is a nightmare to administer. It leaks resources like a sieve and tends to slow down to a crawl under load. Regards, Jo Could you be more specific? I don't see how can it leak resources. About slow down, have you ever chekced the server it is hosted on, or checked for updates/fixes to trac software? If you consider spam comments as nightmare to administer I don't understand why not assign someone to remove these as soon as they're posted. please start a new thread if you want to discuss trac vs flyspray. John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
> Compared to Flyspray, Trac is a nightmare to administer. It leaks > resources like a sieve and tends to slow down to a crawl under load. > > Regards, > Jo > > Could you be more specific? I don't see how can it leak resources. About slow down, have you ever chekced the server it is hosted on, or checked for updates/fixes to trac software? If you consider spam comments as nightmare to administer I don't understand why not assign someone to remove these as soon as they're posted. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
Hi Tom, > I'd vote for re-enabling trac for all users, instead of wasting time and > resources on another flyspray instance or even existing one which > compared to trac does not bring any breakthrough features. Compared to Flyspray, Trac is a nightmare to administer. It leaks resources like a sieve and tends to slow down to a crawl under load. Regards, Jo ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
On 29 May 2017 at 08:56, John Crispin wrote: > Hi, > > here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments > people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still > find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > > John > > I'd vote for re-enabling trac for all users, instead of wasting time and resources on another flyspray instance or even existing one which compared to trac does not bring any breakthrough features. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
(resend, this time as plain text) Hi, here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more. Ideally we manage to vote during this week. John *) rules - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various locations - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so that the openwrt domain also points at them *) SPI - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone else is interested let us know) - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be handed over *) github - start pushing to the openwrt organisation - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) - close the lede PR tracker - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months *) landing page - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing the remerge - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one appropriate to this century *) trac - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still find the it - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the bug.openwrt.org instance *) IRC - add back cloaking - give people channel ownership/admin rights *) email accounts - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their accounts - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes *) wiki / forum - TBD - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) LF - find out what doubts folks have about LF - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) git trees - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - send out invitation mails to the new list - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists *) trademark policy - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) *) timeline - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that John ___ Lede-dev mailing list lede-...@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V3
Hi, here is a V3 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. Please remeber that post remerge anything can be voted on, so cluttering the proposal with many details will delay the remerge even more. Ideally we manage to vote during this week. John *) rules - owrt will adopt the lede rules and voting system *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various locations - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so that the openwrt domain also points at them *) SPI - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone else is interested let us know) - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be handed over *) github - start pushing to the openwrt organisation - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) - close the lede PR tracker - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months *) landing page - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing the remerge - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one appropriate to this century *) trac - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still find the it - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the bug.openwrt.org instance *) IRC - add back cloaking - give people channel ownership/admin rights *) email accounts - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their accounts - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes *) wiki / forum - TBD - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) LF - find out what doubts folks have about LF - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) git trees - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - send out invitation mails to the new list - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists *) trademark policy - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) *) timeline - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that John ___ Lede-dev mailing list lede-...@lists.infradead.org http://lists.infradead.org/mailman/listinfo/lede-dev ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
On 23/05/17 17:29, Zoltan HERPAI wrote: Hi John, John Crispin wrote: here is a V2 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. [snip] Please let us know when you'll start a final vote on this proposal, or if you want to wait a few days if anything bumps in for a V3. I'm OK with this, thanks for putting it together. Thanks, Zoltan H i plan to send a V3 later today or early tomorrow. i hope that we can vote on V3 and get things moving John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
Hi John, John Crispin wrote: here is a V2 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. [snip] Please let us know when you'll start a final vote on this proposal, or if you want to wait a few days if anything bumps in for a V3. I'm OK with this, thanks for putting it together. Thanks, Zoltan H ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
On 05/22/2017 02:02 AM, Rafał Miłecki wrote: > On 05/22/2017 09:40 AM, John Crispin wrote: >> *) branding >> - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand >> - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most >> people said they did not care >> - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand >> is the only feasible option > > Since the project is going to be known/accessible under OpenWrt name now, I > want also mbm and Kaloz to share #openwrt and #openwrt-devel privileges. > > There were many times op was needed but mbm/Kaloz weren't around. > > I was refused/ignored multiple times when asking for that, so I wanted to > bring it as this point to be clear. Is that OK for you guys? Yes that's fine, while your channel operator status is worked on, if there is something specific you can private message me on IRC and I get be op on these two channels for a little bit to do what is necessary. Thanks! -- Florian ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
Sounds good to me! On 22/05/2017 08:40, John Crispin wrote: Hi, here is a V2 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. John *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various locations - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so that the openwrt domain also points at them *) SPI - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone else is interested let us know) - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be handed over *) github - start pushing to the openwrt organisation - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) - close the lede PR tracker - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months *) landing page - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing the remerge - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one appropriate to this century *) trac - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still find the it - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the bug.openwrt.org instance *) email accounts - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their accounts - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes *) wiki / forum - TBD - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) LF - find out what doubts folks have about LF - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) git trees - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - send out invitation mails to the new list - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists *) trademark/sponsorship policy - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) - review/ack jows sponsorship policy (link pending) *) timeline - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
On 05/22/2017 09:40 AM, John Crispin wrote: *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option Since the project is going to be known/accessible under OpenWrt name now, I want also mbm and Kaloz to share #openwrt and #openwrt-devel privileges. There were many times op was needed but mbm/Kaloz weren't around. I was refused/ignored multiple times when asking for that, so I wanted to bring it as this point to be clear. Is that OK for you guys? ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal V2
Hi, here is a V2 of the remerge proposal, I tried to fold all the comments people made into it, if anything is missing let me know. John *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various locations - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so that the openwrt domain also points at them *) SPI - nominate a new liaison team (imre and john offer to do this, if anyone else is interested let us know) - inform SPI of the new liaisons, voters and project rules - this should be done early in the remerge process s.t. the domains can be handed over *) github - start pushing to the openwrt organisation - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) - close the lede PR tracker - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months *) landing page - add a letter of intent / notice to both current landing pages announcing the remerge - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page - try to find some design guru that will transform the owrt theme to one appropriate to this century *) trac - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still find the it - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the bug.openwrt.org instance *) email accounts - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts (the 3 owrt devs would like to keep theirs active) - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their accounts - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes *) wiki / forum - TBD - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) LF - find out what doubts folks have about LF - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) git trees - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - send out invitation mails to the new list - setup redirect/auto-reply for the existing lists *) trademark/sponsorship policy - review/ack imres trademark policy (https://openwrt.org/trademark) - review/ack jows sponsorship policy (link pending) *) timeline - vote / agree on the proposal within the next week - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On Thu, 11 May 2017, Martin Tippmann wrote: On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:27 PM, tapper wrote: On 11/05/2017 09:30, Matthias Schiffer wrote: The OpenWrt forum design looks a bit better than the landing page, but it still feels too heavy due to the colored backgrounds. Matthias One more thing about the LEDE forum is it is very hard to use with a screen reader where as the OpenWRT one is very good to use. For all blind people could we stick with the Openwrt forum but spruce it up a bit so it looks better for those of us that can see. Hi, the used Discourse Software sadly does not seem to make screen readers a priority :(, but they seem interested in feedback[0] Just an idea: Would NNTP Support help here? There seems to be a maintained plugin[1] and if that works well enough, access via any NNTP client or a simple site / forum like the dlang forum[3] that plays well with linux and screen readers might be an option. The LEDE forum lets you interact with it strictly via e-mail, while the openwrt forum only has 'something is new' notifications via e-mail David Lang ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:27 PM, tapper wrote: > On 11/05/2017 09:30, Matthias Schiffer wrote: >> >> On 05/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote: >>> >>> Thanks for moving this forward. >>> >>> On 05/08/2017 03:19 PM, John Crispin wrote: *) github >>> >>> . - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months >>> >>> >>> As long as it does not cost us effort I would like to keep the lede >>> domains and github project up running for longer. >> >> >> This one is a bit tricky. On the one hand, people are referencing our >> Github repositories in their scripts and dependent projects, so we should >> keep it around at least for a while; on the other hand, Github doesn't >> allow disabling PRs (AFAIK), so deleting the project would give developers >> a clear signal where to contribute. >> >> >>> *) landing page - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page >>> >>> >>> I prefer the LEDE design, but with the news like content on the OpenWrt >>> page, but I do not really care and will not block the merge about this. >>> Is someone volunteering to prepare a design which also fulfills Imre's >>> requirements, I am also asking the non LEDE committers and non OpenWrt >>> core developers? I am not good at this. ;-) >> >> >> I realize this is bikeshedding, but I also very much prefer the LEDE >> design, it looks much more modern. In particular: >> - everything with a lot of text has a white background; generally colors >> are used sparingly >> - thin grey borders instead of thick black ones >> >> The OpenWrt forum design looks a bit better than the landing page, but it >> still feels too heavy due to the colored backgrounds. >> >> Matthias >> >> >>> >>> Hauke >>> > One more thing about the LEDE forum is it is very hard to use with a screen > reader where as the OpenWRT one is very good to use. For all blind people > could we stick with the Openwrt forum but spruce it up a bit so it looks > better for those of us that can see. Hi, the used Discourse Software sadly does not seem to make screen readers a priority :(, but they seem interested in feedback[0] Just an idea: Would NNTP Support help here? There seems to be a maintained plugin[1] and if that works well enough, access via any NNTP client or a simple site / forum like the dlang forum[3] that plays well with linux and screen readers might be an option. regards Martin 0: https://meta.discourse.org/t/accessibility-concerns-re-email-lynx-jaws/35675/23 1: https://github.com/sman591/discourse-nntp-bridge 3: http://forum.dlang.org ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 11/05/2017 09:30, Matthias Schiffer wrote: On 05/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote: Thanks for moving this forward. On 05/08/2017 03:19 PM, John Crispin wrote: *) github . - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months As long as it does not cost us effort I would like to keep the lede domains and github project up running for longer. This one is a bit tricky. On the one hand, people are referencing our Github repositories in their scripts and dependent projects, so we should keep it around at least for a while; on the other hand, Github doesn't allow disabling PRs (AFAIK), so deleting the project would give developers a clear signal where to contribute. *) landing page - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page I prefer the LEDE design, but with the news like content on the OpenWrt page, but I do not really care and will not block the merge about this. Is someone volunteering to prepare a design which also fulfills Imre's requirements, I am also asking the non LEDE committers and non OpenWrt core developers? I am not good at this. ;-) I realize this is bikeshedding, but I also very much prefer the LEDE design, it looks much more modern. In particular: - everything with a lot of text has a white background; generally colors are used sparingly - thin grey borders instead of thick black ones The OpenWrt forum design looks a bit better than the landing page, but it still feels too heavy due to the colored backgrounds. Matthias Hauke One more thing about the LEDE forum is it is very hard to use with a screen reader where as the OpenWRT one is very good to use. For all blind people could we stick with the Openwrt forum but spruce it up a bit so it looks better for those of us that can see. Tapper ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
[Some lists were dropped from this thread, adding again] > >>> According to the rules there shall be no personal mail accounts at all. >>> There should be plenty of time until the actual remerge to fade them out >>> and to set up forwarding elsewhere. >> >> I hope you agree that a merge means both sides are adopting and need to >> find some common ground. >> >> Some of the rules has to change, and as we've discussed it with John, >> one might want to send upstream submissions to make OpenWrt show up >> there like other projects do. You might also want to open a private >> conversation between the upstream platform / driver maintainer where >> having a project email address could be useful. Personally I only use my >> owrt address for FOSS related stuff and as far as I know, most people do >> the same. It would be great to have a list of rules that are controversial in your opinion (or the OpenWrt side in general), or even a proposal for a new set of rules, so we have something concrete to discuss. > > I do not know what was discussed in detail here but I am strongly > against personal project email addresses for outgoing communication. > > In my opinion a personal contribution record should stand for itself and > leveraging *@openwrt.org sender credibility to get stuff accepted which > would otherwise get rejected leaves a bad taste. > > Doing that would encourage people to try to get part of the project > solely to take advantage of the added credibility as "door opener". IMHO > this might cause envy and discontent among the contributor base. > > Personally I would have no problem adding inbound mail redirects for > those few personal mail accounts that still exist but these redirects > should merely forward to personal non-project mailboxes. While I don't see people trying to get into the project just to get a mail address as a serious threat, I generally agree with the rule not to allow personal project mail addresses. But I guess this is also the most controversial point of our rules... Matthias signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 05/11/2017 12:17 AM, Hauke Mehrtens wrote: > Thanks for moving this forward. > > On 05/08/2017 03:19 PM, John Crispin wrote: >> *) github > . >> >> - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > As long as it does not cost us effort I would like to keep the lede > domains and github project up running for longer. This one is a bit tricky. On the one hand, people are referencing our Github repositories in their scripts and dependent projects, so we should keep it around at least for a while; on the other hand, Github doesn't allow disabling PRs (AFAIK), so deleting the project would give developers a clear signal where to contribute. > >> *) landing page >> - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name >> - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current >> openwrt landing page >> - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > > I prefer the LEDE design, but with the news like content on the OpenWrt > page, but I do not really care and will not block the merge about this. > Is someone volunteering to prepare a design which also fulfills Imre's > requirements, I am also asking the non LEDE committers and non OpenWrt > core developers? I am not good at this. ;-) I realize this is bikeshedding, but I also very much prefer the LEDE design, it looks much more modern. In particular: - everything with a lot of text has a white background; generally colors are used sparingly - thin grey borders instead of thick black ones The OpenWrt forum design looks a bit better than the landing page, but it still feels too heavy due to the colored backgrounds. Matthias > > Hauke > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
Hauke Mehrtens wrote on Wed May 10 15:17:37 PDT 2017: > On 05/08/2017 03:19 PM, John Crispin wrote: > > *) landing page > > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > > openwrt landing page > > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > > I prefer the LEDE design, but with the news like content on the OpenWrt > page, but I do not really care and will not block the merge about this. My two cents to the design discussion: The old www.openwrt.org, wiki and downloads site design is rather dusty and looks like 1990s. The "news-like" content of the Openwrt www front page has been problematic due to the strange reason that the page contains a prominent "Headlines" lift box for OLD news but not for current news. Right now it highligts e.g. Backfire 10.03.1 release... Current news items are not listed in the Headlines-liftbox but just displayed in the wide middle column. But does anybody really scroll down that long page to find the next current news item below the topmost one? I have started to complain about that design already in 2011 so this opinion is not new... https://dev.openwrt.org/ticket/10655 https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=313132#p313132 https://forum.openwrt.org/viewtopic.php?pid=314276#p314276 I hope that if any news-like content gets displayed on the new front page, the old design mistakes can be avoided. > > *) wiki / forum Regarding wiki and forum, I prefer the LEDE's design and the LEDE forum's modern functionality (user targeting, easy picture copy-paste, responsivity etc.) over the old Openwrt forum. That opinion is based on rather active forum usage, as based on the number of posts I am currently the #2 poster on the Openwrt forum and #1 on the LEDE forum. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
Thanks for moving this forward. On 05/08/2017 03:19 PM, John Crispin wrote: > *) github . > > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months As long as it does not cost us effort I would like to keep the lede domains and github project up running for longer. > *) landing page > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page I prefer the LEDE design, but with the news like content on the OpenWrt page, but I do not really care and will not block the merge about this. Is someone volunteering to prepare a design which also fulfills Imre's requirements, I am also asking the non LEDE committers and non OpenWrt core developers? I am not good at this. ;-) > *) trademark/sponsorship policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy > - review/ack jows sponsorship policy I would like to put the sponsorship policy into the back to not block things, the trademark policy looks OK. Did any lawyer looked at the trademark policy? Will someone work on a joint statement which then marks the official merge? Will the SPI recognize also the LEDE members as OpenWrt members after such a statement or when will this happen? Hauke ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
So many items to vote and work on. I would suggest we sort out those formal things first, e.g. project rules, umbrella project etc. I do not know much about the past history apart from those posts in the public mailing list. But if these formal things were the major cause of the split in the first place, they should be put forward and tackled first. Those technical ones are relatively easy for us I guess and not that urgent anyway because we already have one infrastructure up and running (not bad and I guess you will also agree) and the other one in quiescent state for quite a while now. From what I see it's mostly just about how to do the name change... my two cents Regards, yousong On 8 May 2017 at 21:19, John Crispin wrote: > Hi, > > Felix, Imre and myself had 2 calls last week lasting several hours and > discussed the following proposal of conditions for a remerge that we would > like to propose and have people vote on. > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the > only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various > locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - TBD post remerge > > *) github > - stop pushing to lede-project organisation > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close > the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - keep the lede organisation in its current state so that forked trees dont > get obsoleted > > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still > find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their > accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, > consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark > policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both > around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and > pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - announce the switch to the infradead serves, asking people to unsubscribe > if they have privacy issues with this > - import the user DB from the current openwrt and lede ML into the 2 new > mailing lists > - find out if we can redirect/auto-reply the existing lists to the new ones > > *) trademark/sponsorship policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy > - review/ack jows sponsorship policy > > *) timeline > - refine / vote / agree on the proposal withing the next 2 week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that > > John > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 05/08/2017 06:19 AM, John Crispin wrote: > Hi, > > Felix, Imre and myself had 2 calls last week lasting several hours and > discussed the following proposal of conditions for a remerge that we > would like to propose and have people vote on. > > *) branding > - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand > > - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most > people said they did not care > > - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is > the only feasible option > > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean > - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in > various locations > - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server > - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance > - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to > proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) > - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so > that the openwrt domain also points at them > > *) SPI > - TBD post remerge > > *) github > - stop pushing to lede-project organisation > - start pushing to the openwrt organisation > - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation > - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue > tracker > - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and > close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) > - close the lede PR tracker > - keep the lede organisation in its current state so that forked trees > dont get obsoleted > > - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months > > *) landing page > - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current > openwrt landing page > - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page > > *) trac > - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can > still find the it > - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the > bug.openwrt.org instance > > *) email accounts > - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts > - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that > anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to > - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up > their accounts > - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal > business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes > > - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the > trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes > > > *) wiki / forum > - TBD > - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both > around > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) LF > - find out what doubts folks have about LF > - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! > - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge > > *) git trees > - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt > - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot > and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this > already) > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - announce the switch to the infradead serves, asking people to > unsubscribe if they have privacy issues with this > - import the user DB from the current openwrt and lede ML into the 2 new > mailing lists > - find out if we can redirect/auto-reply the existing lists to the new > ones > > *) trademark/sponsorship policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy > - review/ack jows sponsorship policy > > *) timeline > - refine / vote / agree on the proposal withing the next 2 week > - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that All of this sounds good me, and thanks for taking the time to talk to each other and come to an agreement. How can we help? -- Florian ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On Tue, May 9, 2017 at 9:50 AM, John Crispin wrote: > > > On 09/05/17 09:49, Rafał Miłecki wrote: >> >> On 8 May 2017 at 15:19, John Crispin wrote: >>> >>> *) domain >>> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org >>> (...) >>> >>> *) SPI >>> - TBD post remerge >> >> This is unclear to me. Are we postponing setting rules with SPI on how >> they should manage domains? I guess it should be handled at the same >> time: specifying rules (majority of votes?) and handling domains. > > SPi will need a new liaison officer (team). we need to vote on who this will > be. apart from that SPI will be pointed at the wiki page listing voters and > rules. domains will be handed over to them SPI offers different services to projects like accepting donations and holding funds, legal assistance, technical services, etc ... Apart from handing over the domains do we want to make use of any of the services offered by SPI ? Further nice to read we convergence again; thx for the effort ! Hans > > John > > ___ > openwrt-devel mailing list > openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org > https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 9 May 2017 at 09:50, John Crispin wrote: > On 09/05/17 09:49, Rafał Miłecki wrote: >> >> On 8 May 2017 at 15:19, John Crispin wrote: >>> >>> *) domain >>> - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org >>> (...) >>> >>> *) SPI >>> - TBD post remerge >> >> This is unclear to me. Are we postponing setting rules with SPI on how >> they should manage domains? I guess it should be handled at the same >> time: specifying rules (majority of votes?) and handling domains. > > SPi will need a new liaison officer (team). we need to vote on who this will > be. apart from that SPI will be pointed at the wiki page listing voters and > rules. domains will be handed over to them Sounds OK, we probably should just handle this at the same time as handling the domains. -- Rafał ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 09/05/17 09:49, Rafał Miłecki wrote: On 8 May 2017 at 15:19, John Crispin wrote: *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org (...) *) SPI - TBD post remerge This is unclear to me. Are we postponing setting rules with SPI on how they should manage domains? I guess it should be handled at the same time: specifying rules (majority of votes?) and handling domains. SPi will need a new liaison officer (team). we need to vote on who this will be. apart from that SPI will be pointed at the wiki page listing voters and rules. domains will be handed over to them John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 8 May 2017 at 15:19, John Crispin wrote: > *) domain > - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org > (...) > > *) SPI > - TBD post remerge This is unclear to me. Are we postponing setting rules with SPI on how they should manage domains? I guess it should be handled at the same time: specifying rules (majority of votes?) and handling domains. ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 08/05/17 15:29, David Woodhouse wrote: On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 15:19 +0200, John Crispin wrote: *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - announce the switch to the infradead serves, asking people to unsubscribe if they have privacy issues with this - import the user DB from the current openwrt and lede ML into the 2 new mailing lists - find out if we can redirect/auto-reply the existing lists to the new ones Yes, we can redirect the existing lists to the new ones — so for example, mail sent to lede-dev will just turn up on the openwrt-dev list instead. Assuming that's what you meant. For importing subscribers, if that's what you want to do, I'd be inclined to send *invitations* not just subscribe people. So each person will get the 'someone has requested that your address be subscribed; click here to actually do it' message. We can write our own blurb to go out at the top of those invitations. Hi David, Thanks for clarifying this, sending out invites does sound reasonable. I still haven't worked out if I actually have a vote here or not but FWIW the rest of the proposal looked good to me. glad that you like it. John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On 2017-05-08 15:43, Toke Høiland-Jørgensen wrote: John Crispin writes: Hi, Felix, Imre and myself had 2 calls last week lasting several hours and discussed the following proposal of conditions for a remerge that we would like to propose and have people vote on. Great to hear progress is being made on this! I think the proposal looks reasonable, generally. A few comments / questions: - What will this mean for the community rules and the release schedule? Will they continue from the current LEDE practices? - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page Well, I like the L&F of lede-project.org better - but it's not something worth bikeshedding over, so meh, fine... ;) Well, the OpenWrt one might be from 2000s, but the LEDE one is from '95 ;) I think the CSS jow did for the OpenWrt forum looks the best TBH :) *) trademark/sponsorship policy - review/ack imres trademark policy - review/ack jows sponsorship policy Links to these? On the tm policy: https://openwrt.org/trademark - I guess jow will chime in with the location of the sponsorship one, too. Imre ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
John Crispin writes: > Hi, > > Felix, Imre and myself had 2 calls last week lasting several hours and > discussed > the following proposal of conditions for a remerge that we would like to > propose > and have people vote on. Great to hear progress is being made on this! I think the proposal looks reasonable, generally. A few comments / questions: - What will this mean for the community rules and the release schedule? Will they continue from the current LEDE practices? > - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt > landing page Well, I like the L&F of lede-project.org better - but it's not something worth bikeshedding over, so meh, fine... ;) > *) trademark/sponsorship policy > - review/ack imres trademark policy > - review/ack jows sponsorship policy Links to these? -Toke ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
Re: [OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
On Mon, 2017-05-08 at 15:19 +0200, John Crispin wrote: > > *) mailing list > - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists > - announce the switch to the infradead serves, asking people to > unsubscribe if they have privacy issues with this > - import the user DB from the current openwrt and lede ML into the 2 new > mailing lists > - find out if we can redirect/auto-reply the existing lists to the new ones Yes, we can redirect the existing lists to the new ones — so for example, mail sent to lede-dev will just turn up on the openwrt-dev list instead. Assuming that's what you meant. For importing subscribers, if that's what you want to do, I'd be inclined to send *invitations* not just subscribe people. So each person will get the 'someone has requested that your address be subscribed; click here to actually do it' message. We can write our own blurb to go out at the top of those invitations. I still haven't worked out if I actually have a vote here or not but FWIW the rest of the proposal looked good to me. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
[OpenWrt-Devel] openwrt and lede - remerge proposal
Hi, Felix, Imre and myself had 2 calls last week lasting several hours and discussed the following proposal of conditions for a remerge that we would like to propose and have people vote on. *) branding - the owrt side sees no option of using the lede brand - a (minor) majority voted for openwrt as a name over lede whilst most people said they did not care - as the last vote had a 100% ACK for a remerge using the owrt brand is the only feasible option *) domain - transfer owner ship to SPI for openwrt.org and lede-project.org - add them to the pool of urls at digital ocean - post remerge build a setup where we have several DNS servers in various locations - point git.openwrt.org at the lede git server - point bugs.openwrt.org to the lede flyspray instance - keep both wikis and forums as is (we should decide post remerge how to proceed to avoid these issues blocking the progress) - update the lede domain entries for build/download/rsync/... servers so that the openwrt domain also points at them *) SPI - TBD post remerge *) github - stop pushing to lede-project organisation - start pushing to the openwrt organisation - cleanup the list of owners in the openwrt organisation - obsolete all issues on the openwrt organisation and close the issue tracker - go through the open openwrt and lede PRs, pickup whats useful and close the rest, asking people to repost (things wont be rebasable anyhow) - close the lede PR tracker - keep the lede organisation in its current state so that forked trees dont get obsoleted - obsolete the lede github org after a grace period of 3-6 months *) landing page - update the lede landing page to represent the openwrt name - update the landing page to have the same look & feel as the current openwrt landing page - point openwrt.org at the lede landing page *) trac - trac is already readonly, keep content so that search engines can still find the it - edit the trac html templates, adding a note pointing at the bug.openwrt.org instance *) email accounts - currently there are around ~20 active openwrt.org mail accounts - turn all the webmaster@, hostmaster@, ... accounts into aliases that anyone with voting rights can be subscribed to - ask those people that are no longer active to voluntarily give up their accounts - mail addresses may under no conditions be used for any personal business, consultancy, applying for jobs, ... purposes - any mail sent from an openwrt.org account needs to adhere the trademark policy and should only be used for FOSS purposes *) wiki / forum - TBD - asking in either forum/wiki will get a biased vote so keep them both around - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) LF - find out what doubts folks have about LF - find out benefits - we would have their hosting and sponsorship ?! - start a separate discussion regarding these post remerge *) git trees - rebrand the lede tree to openwrt - work out what has happened inside the openwrt tree since the reboot and pick up the useful bits (zoltan has done some prior work on this already) *) mailing list - ask david to add the openwrt-adm and openwrt lists - announce the switch to the infradead serves, asking people to unsubscribe if they have privacy issues with this - import the user DB from the current openwrt and lede ML into the 2 new mailing lists - find out if we can redirect/auto-reply the existing lists to the new ones *) trademark/sponsorship policy - review/ack imres trademark policy - review/ack jows sponsorship policy *) timeline - refine / vote / agree on the proposal withing the next 2 week - work on the action items in the 4 weeks after that John ___ openwrt-devel mailing list openwrt-devel@lists.openwrt.org https://lists.openwrt.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openwrt-devel
